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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I am in agreement with these points i.e. the CWG does not approve the CCWG work but needs to effectively communicate whether or not it (the CWG) views the conditions as having been met by the CCWG proposal (or need refining). Ideally, it is only referred to the chartering organisations once this is the case.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Jonathan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes@verisign.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> 20 January 2015 21:46<br><b>To:</b> Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond; jrobinson@afilias.info; cwg-stewardship@icann.org<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [CWG-Stewardship] Chart on CWG link with CCWG on Accountability (UPDATED)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>I don’t think we are in disagreement Olivier. I just was concerned that we leave the impression that the CWG has to approve the CCWG work stream 1 work. Like the following wording you suggested: “</span><span lang=EN-US>Receive communication from CWG-IANA if accountability requirements identified need further refining</span><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>”. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Chuck<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond [<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com">mailto:ocl@gih.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 20, 2015 4:00 PM<br><b>To:</b> Gomes, Chuck; <a href="mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info">jrobinson@afilias.info</a>; <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Chart on CWG link with CCWG on Accountability (UPDATED)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Jonathan,<br><br>thanks for the update. I find the updated chart to be an improvement.<br>Chuck mentions that it is [not] "the responsibility of the IANA CWG or its chartering organizations to approve the CCWG work stream 1 except to the extent that they impact our recommendations".<br>I have two comments:<br>1. Isn't it up to the chartering organisations to approve the Accountability CCWG work?<br>2. I note that there doesn't appear to be any charter-mandated approval of WS1 work relating to IANA by the IANA Stewardship CWG but would appreciate if there was a way to let WS1 know if they've fulfilled the needs of the IANA Stewardship CWG for its own proposal - so I support the change. Perhaps change the text to: "Receive communication from CWG-IANA if accountability requirements identified need further refining", or insert "IANA" somewhere in this sentence and the previous box too, so as to reduce the "accountability" scope to "IANA CWG related accountability scope".<br><br>Kindest regards,<br><br>Olivier <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>On 19/01/2015 22:54, Gomes, Chuck wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Jonathan,</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Most of the changes you made seem useful to me but I don’t think it is the responsibility of the IANA CWG or its chartering organizations to approve the CCWG work stream 1 recommendations except to the extent that they impact our recommendations. Our task will be to determine whether the accountability recommendations from work stream 1 satisfy our needs with respect to CWG recommendations; that may or may not involve all of the work stream 1 recommendations. Maybe I am nitpicking; if so let me know.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Chuck</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org">mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jonathan Robinson<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 19, 2015 4:30 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Chart on CWG link with CCWG on Accountability (UPDATED)</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>All,</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>In reviewing the flow-chart, I felt it could do with some revisions as I have commented on a number of occasions. </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Most strikingly, the phrase “conditional accountability” has been causing some issues in that it’s not clear what this means, especially to the CCWG on Accountability, as was evidenced by reference to it on various occasions during their face-to-face meeting today. What I understand that we mean by “conditional accountability” is that we view our proposal is conditional on specific accountability measures being put in place.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Please see below for a summary of the changes which are encapsulated in the updated flow chart. </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>The changes in the attached are as follows:</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><ul type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Changed ‘final proposal identifying conditional accountability requirements’ to ‘final conditional proposal identifying accountability requirements'</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Added dotted line and dotted box to indicate that CWG-IANA would communicate to CCWG-Accountability in case it considers that accountability requirements are not met</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Updated (in bold) that chartering organisations would consider and approve <b>(or not)</b> work stream 1 recommendations and confirm whether accountability requirements have been met <b>(or not)</b></span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Updated (in bold) that the ICG would receive communication from chartering organisations / <b>CWG-IANA</b></span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>As ever, any comments or incremental improvements / developments welcome.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Jonathan</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Jonathan Robinson <a href="mailto:[mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info]">[mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info]</a> <br><b>Sent:</b> 14 January 2015 08:56<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br><b>Cc:</b> Lise Fuhr (<a href="mailto:lise.fuhr@difo.dk">lise.fuhr@difo.dk</a>)<br><b>Subject:</b> Chart on CWG link with CCWG on Accountability</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>All,<span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal> <span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>Please see attached for a draft / proposal for the mechanics and flow of linking the work of this CWG with that of the CCWG on Accountability.<span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal> <span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>As you know, this is a critical area of our work. Accordingly, this chart is provided to facilitate discussion on the subject and to assist us in getting to a common CWG view of the linkage and relationship.<span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal> <span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thank-you,<span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal> <span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal> <span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>Jonathan & Lise<span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>Co-chairs<span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><pre><span lang=EN-US>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>CWG-Stewardship mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><a href="mailto:CWG-Stewardship@icann.org">CWG-Stewardship@icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><pre><span lang=EN-US>-- <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><a href="http://www.gih.com/ocl.html">http://www.gih.com/ocl.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre></div></body></html>