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Hi,<br>
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Possibly a poll could be useful, though I am generally not in favor
of polls.<br>
<br>
And I should have said a consensus call of members, not a vote.<br>
(I am sure there are some differences.)<br>
<br>
My point is at some point we need to figure out whether we are split
along external/internal lines close to 50/50 or whether there is a
consensus. I can't tell. To me it seems we are stably split.<br>
<br>
If that is the case, I think sending the IGC a decision that says we
could not make up our minds, might not work so well.<br>
<br>
avri<br>
<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 30-Jan-15 09:48, Gomes, Chuck wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>One thing we could do is add a
carefully worded question to insert in the Discussion
Document for Singapore. But I fear that it may not be very
helpful without legal advice.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Chuck</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>From:</span></b><span>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Avri Doria<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 30, 2015 9:26 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] CWG Timetable -
Best Case Estimate (RESEND with updated attachment)</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi,<br>
<br>
Makes sense, but perhaps we should put a vote on
internal/external on the schedule as a forcing function.<br>
<br>
avri</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 30-Jan-15 09:10, Gomes, Chuck wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Excellent questions Avri. I think you
are right about waiting for legal advice. I think that
the advice has the potential to help us start converging.
Also, I think continued community input may help as we see
where those outside of the CWG evaluate the options.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Chuck</p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] CWG Timetable -
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi,<br>
<br>
I wonder with the fairly balanced and stable impasse we
seem to have between internal and external models , how
are we going to reach consensus.<br>
<br>
In some ways as we move toward a center point, the
proposals become more or less similar except for the
dividing line of internal or external. What sort of
judgement will be required to decide which side of the
line our solution will falls?
<br>
<br>
At what point will we decide a vote is required? I do not
personally favor a vote, but I also do not see great
movement from one type of solution to the other. At some
point we will need to decide either way.
<br>
<br>
With the exception of a possible hybrid proposal that
somehow manages to satisfy the urges of the inside model
people and the outside model people, I do not see how we
resolve this outside of a vote. Unfortunately I do not
see such a proposal as being allowed by either side of
this issue.<br>
<br>
Perhaps we should wait for the legal advice, but I am not
sure why as both sides include many of the same legal
elements. But I think we should ready ourselves for that
vote.<br>
<br>
avri</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 30-Jan-15 08:37, Jonathan Robinson
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<pre>Dear Alissa, ICG Vice Chairs & Colleages,</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>Thank-you for this note. We are pleased to be able to now respond in some</pre>
<pre>more detail.</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>Following our collective recognition that the CWG would not be able to</pre>
<pre>respond with a proposal in time to meet the original planned submission of</pre>
<pre>31 January 2015, we have continued to work hard at making progress. This has</pre>
<pre>involved many areas of concurrent work including re-evaluating the work</pre>
<pre>required to complete a proposal and seeking to clearly understand the key</pre>
<pre>dependencies. In this regard, we would like to draw your attention to a</pre>
<pre>three key points:</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>1. The number and diversity of participants in the CWG's work necessarily</pre>
<pre>mean that it is time-consuming and complex to take account of these inputs.</pre>
<pre>2. The number of dependencies which impact the timeline of the CWG's work,</pre>
<pre>not all of which can be effectively or completely managed by ourselves.</pre>
<pre>3. The inter-relationship with the work of the CCWG on Accountability and</pre>
<pre>the necessary inter-dependence of the work of the CWG and the CCWG.</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>Recognising the above, we have constructed a timeline which seeks to provide</pre>
<pre>a Best Case for the production of a proposal from the CWG. This Best Case</pre>
<pre>seeks to predict the path to production of a final proposal which can be</pre>
<pre>signed off by the chartering organisations and moreover, is correlated with</pre>
<pre>the work of the CCWG on Accountability. This Best Case is includes key areas</pre>
<pre>of work (separated into specific work streams), the use of high intensity</pre>
<pre>periods of work and the potential use of an in person / face-to-face meeting</pre>
<pre>of the CWG. It also highlights where there are key risks to the timetable</pre>
<pre>and the consequent target date. These risks are represented by triangles on</pre>
<pre>the diagram. They include but are not limited to:</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>A. Lack of consensus within the CWG around a specific proposal</pre>
<pre>B. Issues around the duration to acquire legal advice or the specific</pre>
<pre>content of any such advice</pre>
<pre>B. The willingness or ability of the chartering organisations to support the</pre>
<pre>outcome of the work of the CWG</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>Rest assured, we have every intention of producing a proposal, which has the</pre>
<pre>support of the CWG members and the chartering organisations, in a timely</pre>
<pre>fashion and will make best efforts to do so. However, we feel strongly that</pre>
<pre>we need to set expectations about the current timetable and the implicit</pre>
<pre>target it contains in that it contains identified risks and therefore may</pre>
<pre>not be achievable. </pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>We trust that this is an effective update and are committed to continuing to</pre>
<pre>work towards a well-supported proposal as well as to keeping you informed of</pre>
<pre>and engaged in our progress to that end.</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>Thank-you for your active involvement and appreciation of our task.</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>Sincerely,</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>Jonathan Robinson & Lise Fuhr</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>Attachment: An representation of the Best Case timetable of work for the CWG</pre>
<pre>correlated with our current understanding of the work of the CWG and with</pre>
<pre>the current timetable of the ICG</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>-----Original Message-----</pre>
<pre>From: Alissa Cooper [<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:alissa@cooperw.in">mailto:alissa@cooperw.in</a>] </pre>
<pre>Sent: 16 January 2015 23:16</pre>
<pre>To: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a></pre>
<pre>Subject: [CWG-Stewardship] Request from ICG</pre>
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<pre>Dear CWG,</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>The ICG has been following the developments in all of the operational</pre>
<pre>communities, including the naming community. We have noted some discussions</pre>
<pre>about the possibility that the CWG might require additional time to complete</pre>
<pre>its response to the ICG RFP beyond its original planned submission date of</pre>
<pre>30 January 2015. In this regard, the ICG would appreciate receiving the</pre>
<pre>CWG's estimated revised completion date, taking into account appropriate</pre>
<pre>time for community consultation. Please communicate this to the ICG as soon</pre>
<pre>as possible but not later than 31 January 2015. It would also be helpful for</pre>
<pre>you to indicate what you expect the CWG’s major challenges to be to complete</pre>
<pre>your work in a timely fashion and whether ICG coordination can be of</pre>
<pre>assistance. </pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>We appreciate the CWG’s continued diligence in working towards target</pre>
<pre>completion dates and we expect to stay in close contact concerning the</pre>
<pre>group’s progress until its work is complete.</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>Thanks,</pre>
<pre>Alissa Cooper on behalf of the ICG</pre>
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