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    Hi,<br>
    <br>
    I agree about the neutrality of the document.  I think a few minor
    wording changes should be able to fix the various interpretaions of
    bias.  Words are like that, some words that seem fine to some of us,
    may appear biased to others - there is a cultural aspect to that as
    well.<br>
    <br>
    As for the Annex, the problem I have is that we are acting like an
    informal survey has statistical validity.  I have no problm with the
    info being included for report completeness as they were significant
    milestones in our labors, but there needs to be a major disclaimer
    about them being non scientific and signifying nothing more that
    having been a conveneint work tool for giving the conversation
    shape. And there needs to be references to the full data set for
    those who want to dig further.<br>
    <br>
    avri<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 02-Feb-15 17:05, Martin Boyle wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>As Chuck, I thought the document
            reasonably neutral.</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>While I’m not wedded to the annexes,
            they do help show where there was – and where there was not
            – some semblance of consensus.  This is a useful reminder to
            us all as a “how did we get to where we are,” not least
            because it helps us to focus on understanding, and
            responding to, concerns:  this is a vital step if we are to
            build a consensus proposal.</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Obviously there should be a reference
            to the complete survey, but pointing to the complete surveys
            is hardly helpful to people who have not really been
            following the detail.  Bearing in mind that we are hoping to
            use the document to improve awareness and to stimulate
            discussion, highlighting some of the issues we have been
            wrestling with since Christmas could be quite a useful
            approach.</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>I’d agree with Chuck’s final
            paragraph:  if we can come away understanding the hopes and
            fears elicited by each of the approaches, this will be
            useful – or even being optimistic, could mark a good step
            forward.</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Martin</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
        <div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                lang="EN-US"> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>
                [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org">mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>]
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gomes, Chuck<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> 02 February 2015 13:56<br>
                <b>To:</b> Milton L Mueller; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info">jrobinson@afilias.info</a>;
                <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>; lisefuhrforwader<br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] CWG - Draft Report
                for Singapore</span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I agree with Milton that
            this document should be as neutral as possible with regard
            to the various options and I thought it was close to
            achieving that.  In fact, an earlier version included the
            pros and cons of each of the options and I suggested those
            be removed so that community members could make their own
            judgments without CWG influence.  To address Milton’s
            concern, I am now more inclined not to include the results
            of the surveys but rather just provide links to the
            results.  Besides, we were very clear that the surveys were
            not intended to be statistically significant so we should
            avoid impressions that we are using the results as if they
            were.  I think they were very helpful in guiding our review
            of public comments within the CWG, but we need to avoid not
            reading too much from the results.</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">In my opinion, the main
            objective of the discussion document is to generate
            productive feedback in Singapore that will contribute to our
            efforts going forward.  We all need legal advice and a lot
            of more detail before we can make conclusive value judgments
            on the way forward so I don’t think we gain much by trying
            to assess which proposals community members like best, but
            if we can get them to identify any concerns they have about
            the options on the table, I think that could be useful.</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Chuck</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                lang="EN-US">
                <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>
                [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org">mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>]
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Milton L Mueller<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, February 01, 2015 6:07 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info">jrobinson@afilias.info</a>;
                <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">
                  cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>; Lise Fuhr<br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] CWG - Draft Report
                for Singapore</span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Jonathan, Lise</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I am sorry to say that I
            find this draft report to be slanted to an outrageous
            degree. Its summary of the public comments and the survey
            results seem to be distorted in ways that lead the community
            to a particular view. This report will have to change, and
            dramatically, before it is fit for public release.
          </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The first point you make
            in this report, which apparently was drafted by ICANN staff,
            is “</span><span lang="EN-US">Overall there was very strong
            support for the current IANA operator (ICANN) and that the
            IANA functions should not be moved from ICANN, or tendered
            for, at the onset of the transition.” Taken out of context,
            this statement makes it seem as if there is little support
            for separability. </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">By our count, more than
            2/3 of the public comments supported separability of the
            IANA functions, and separability was one of the key
            principles adopted by the group at the outset. Moreover,
            around 63% of the public comments supported the basic idea
            of the Frankfurt proposal, i.e. to create some kind of
            external authority to contract for those functions.</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Even by Bernard’s
            method, 13 of the public comments opposed Contract Co. and
            18 supported it (a 58% ratio in favor of Contract Co) while
            24 allegedly made no comment (one of the flaws of Bernard’s
            method of counting, but that is a minor issue at this
            point).</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The report says that
            “There was no strong agreement amongst survey respondents
            with the proposal to create Contract Co.,” which is roughly
            true, but it doesn’t also say “There was no strong agreement
            amongst survey respondents, indeed there was strong
            opposition, to the idea of an internal option.” What
            accounts for this bias?
          </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The simple fact is that
            we are currently split between advocates of an internal
            solution and an external solution. Neither can claim
            consensus and one-sided references to “a majority” (of 2
            votes in a survey that included only 32 people) is not
            helpful. The key survey questions on the basic issue are all
            bimodal, with no clear tendency either way. I have no
            problem with a clear statement to that effect, or even a
            summary of what arguments people have made supporting or
            opposing either option. I presume the purpose of this report
            is to inform the community in Singapore of this fact in an
            attempt to find proposals that can move the process forward.</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">A prejudiced report is
            going to make that more difficult. Furthermore, it is a huge
            mistake to frame this as a kind of opinion poll at the
            Singapore meeting as to where people stand now (especially
            when they are presented with a highly distorted take on how
            current opinions break down). What we need now now is not
            polling but deliberation and discussion as to the merits and
            demerits of various structures, legal advice on the
            feasibility of both internal and external tracks, and
            exploration of any options that we haven’t thought of yet.
          </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">If you want help
            modifying the report I’d be happy to provide you with
            suggestions. Overall, it can be made a lot shorter and a lot
            simpler.
          </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Milton L Mueller</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Laura J. and L. Douglas
            Meredith Professor</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Syracuse University
            School of Information Studies</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><a
              moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="http://faculty.ischool.syr.edu/mueller/"><span>http://faculty.ischool.syr.edu/mueller/</span></a></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Internet Governance
            Project</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><a
              moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="http://internetgovernance.org/"><span>http://internetgovernance.org</span></a></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                  lang="EN-US">
                  <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>
                  [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org">mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>]
                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jonathan Robinson<br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, February 1, 2015 3:22 PM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> 'Bernard Turcotte'; <a
                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] CWG - Draft
                  Report for Singapore</span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span>All,</span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span>To set expectations and remind one
              another of the purpose of this Discussion Document and of
              this draft.</span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span>The overarching purpose is as
              described at the outset of the document as follows:</span></p>
          <p class="CWGbody"><span lang="EN-CA">1.      To inform the
              community of the work undertaken and progress to date
            </span></p>
          <p class="CWGbody"><span lang="EN-CA">and</span></p>
          <p class="CWGbody"><span lang="EN-CA">2.      To seek
              community input on key and intractable issues in order to
              assist the CWG in its deliberations</span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span>In order to achieve both 1 &amp; 2
              above, it is imperative to get the document into
              circulation within the community as soon as possible.</span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span>With the publication of this draft
              to the CWG, we aim to obtain the following from the you:</span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
          <p class="MsoListParagraph"><span>A.</span><span>    
            </span><span>Input on areas of substantial concern with the
              document as drafted<br>
              <br>
              and</span></p>
          <p class="MsoListParagraph"><span>B.</span><span>    
            </span><span>Input as to which questions should be added to
              the document in order to best direct community input with
              regard to purpose 2 above.</span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Accordingly, please can you provide
              any input as soon as possible and, in any event, by 48
              hours from distribution of this document to the CWG i.e.
              18h00 UTC on 03 February 2015.</span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Thank-you.</span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Jonathan &amp; Lise</span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Co-chairs</span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
              lang="EN-US"> Bernard Turcotte [</span><span lang="EN-US"><a
                moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:turcotte.bernard@gmail.com"><span>mailto:turcotte.bernard@gmail.com</span></a></span><span
              lang="EN-US">]
              <br>
              <b>Sent:</b> 01 February 2015 17:41<br>
              <b>To:</b> </span><span lang="EN-US"><a
                moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org"><span>cwg-stewardship@icann.org</span></a></span><span
              lang="EN-US"><br>
              <b>Subject:</b> [CWG-Stewardship] CWG - Draft Report for
              Singapore</span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">All, please find attached the draft
                report for the Singapore meeting and the updated
                timeline.</p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal">Questions and comments welcome.</p>
            </div>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">Jonathan and Lise would also like
                input on questions which could be added to this document
                which would provide useful feedback for our work.</p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">Cheers.</p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">B.</p>
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