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Hi,<br>
<br>
I thought it was a obvious question, but several people did not
think so, and seemed to condemn the asking. Hence I have tried to
explain why I thought it important. Seemed the least I could do.<br>
<br>
I think needing to know is not limited to any particular model.<br>
<br>
If we can't get a real figure we might be able to calculate
something close using some standard reasoning:<br>
<br>
Full IANA employe salary budget * ICANN average burden multiplier
(including all overhead costs, including senior management costs,
administrative costs, travel, benefits, office space, insurance
etc)<br>
<br>
Companies geneally have this so they know the costs of adding each
new employee - it isn't just salary. Often this runs 100 - 200% of
salary.<br>
<br>
Then if we figure out the FTE (full time equivalent) assigned to
each of the ICG designated separable operational functions we would
have a reasonable back of the envelop figure for the costs per
operational community. While it would be good to someday have the
exact figures, such a calculation would at least give us general
understanding.<br>
<br>
Having once, briefly, been the CEO of a startup, I know this is not
high finance and should be trivial for someone that has all the
numbers to crunch.<br>
<br>
As for the RIR contribution to ICANN, if we assume their approx 1
million contribution is 1% of the total ICANN income (not counting
new gTLD windfall and assuming a 100MUSD income), then we have an
idea that their contribution to IANA is that same 1% since they are
not specifically allocated funds.<br>
<br>
Sorry to be so pointed on this, especially since I have never gotten
involved in the financial issues at ICANN before. But it is a
critical piece of the puzzle and I think we need all of the pieces.<br>
<br>
avri<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 03-Feb-15 22:03, Alan Greenberg
wrote:<br>
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One can dive down and find all sorts of reasons for
wanting/needing the
budget (for instance, those who oppose Contract Co want to know by
what
percentage the overall budget might grow with additional
structures). But
regardless of the specific rationale, it is reasonable to assign
some
numbers to this if only to put the overall operation in
perspective.
<br>
<br>
ICANN presents its budgets base on objective. This makes complete
sense
if you want to identify what a certain objective is costing, and
one
would not, for instance want to say that IT has had it's budget
double
when all of the growth is related to once strategic objective that
was
adopted.<br>
<br>
But our need is a different one, and if the financial system
cannot
deliver what we want automatically, it should be completely
reasonable to
expect someone to do the calculation by hand. We should not have
to be
debating this ad infinitum.<br>
<br>
Alan<br>
<br>
At 03/02/2015 03:35 PM, Avri Doria wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite" class="cite">Hi,<br>
<br>
I think these questions ought to asked because ICANN, funded
mostly
by Names, pays for all of IANA's services.<br>
<br>
I think we need to know how much this costs and what the various
portions
cost as we are making assumptions about future possible plans.
It
is part of the stability question we need to answer. Something
I
know quite well is that lack of budget results in lack of
stability.<br>
<br>
The ICG has declared the three operational entities separate,
and each of
the three is declaring that they could leave ICANN if displeased
- a
position I agree with. But this is a service that cost quite a
bit
I expect and such independence would come at a cost. I think we
need know the costs in order to figure out this puzzle. We
cannot
asume that thing could change without know what the costs would
be.<br>
<br>
For the Names side, we know that the cost = total cost for IANA
-
costs(Numbers + Protocols). But what is that in numbers?<br>
<br>
<br>
avri<br>
<br>
On 03-Feb-15 02:34, Gomes, Chuck wrote:<br>
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· Why are we asking
questions about numbers and protocols? If there is a good
reason
for that, I suggest that the questions regarding numbers and
protocols be
separate from the questions for names.<br>
<br>
· Regarding “<b>Are your
concerned about the actual costs for operating the IANA
functions, for
protocols and numbers, given these are currently funded by
ICANN.</b>” –
Are don’t think it is accurate to say that they are currently
funded by
ICANN; ICANN may fund some costs but a large part of the RIR
and IETF
functions are not funded by ICANN.</blockquote>
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