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    Hi,<br>
    <br>
    That was the specific info I got back on the question as well. 
    Their task is to establish criteria and mechanisms for long term
    accountability.  While the CWG question can be seen as a component
    of accountability, in reality it just information, like the legal
    advice that we need for making decisions.  Nothing they are doing
    will provide that kind of information until decisions are made and
    accountability changes are made.  We cannot wait that long.  Hence
    the indication from the CCWG that while financial accountability was
    a concern, the financial calculations for IANA today were not really
    in scope for them.<br>
    <br>
    avri<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 03-Feb-15 23:58, Gomes, Chuck wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Seun,</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Based on the response that Jonathan
            forwarded today from the CCWG co-chairs, it doesn’t appear
            to me that the CCWG will adequately deal with budget
            accountability and may depend on us to do that.</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Chuck</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>From:</span></b><span> Seun
            Ojedeji [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com">mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>]
            <br>
            <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 03, 2015 1:06 PM<br>
            <b>To:</b> Gomes, Chuck<br>
            <b>Cc:</b> Bernard Turcotte (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:turcotte.bernard@gmail.com">turcotte.bernard@gmail.com</a>);
            <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br>
            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] CWG - DRAFT discussion
            document for Singapore V3.5</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">Hi Chuck,</p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Well i guess my main point is whether
              such "accountability" question relating to entire IANA
              function is best asked by the CCWG, i am not necessarily
              weighing in on the question itself as i think its
              relevant.
              <br>
              <br>
              The RIR contribute $823k, however that amount is not
              necessarily payment for IANA services but just voluntary
              contribution (call it contribution to internet
              development). Perhaps i should note that budgetary concern
              related to the numbers contribution was also raised during
              the development of the numbers proposal (you may read the
              thread if interested [1])
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Regards<br>
            1. <a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="https://www.nro.net/pipermail/ianaxfer/2015-January/000288.html">https://www.nro.net/pipermail/ianaxfer/2015-January/000288.html</a></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Gomes,
              Chuck &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" target="_blank">cgomes@verisign.com</a>&gt;
              wrote:</p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span>I definitely think we should
                    eventually be able to see a breakdown of IANA costs
                    by naming, numbers and protocols.  I say eventually
                    because, based on my involvement in the ICANN
                    budget, I don’t think ICANN’s AtTask system is
                    implemented to support that yet.  Those of us who
                    have been involved in budget issues have been asking
                    for more budget detail for many years and I am
                    cautiously optimistic that it will eventually
                    possible.  That said, I strongly support asking for
                    it.</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span>The point I was making in my
                    message was that ICANN funds all of the IANA naming
                    functions but does not fund all of the IETF and RIR
                    costs related to IANA processes.</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Chuck</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>From:</span></b><span>
                    Seun Ojedeji [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com"
                      target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>]
                    <br>
                    <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 03, 2015 1:28 AM<br>
                    <b>To:</b> Gomes, Chuck<br>
                    <b>Cc:</b> Bernard Turcotte (<a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:turcotte.bernard@gmail.com"
                      target="_blank">turcotte.bernard@gmail.com</a>);
                    <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org"
                      target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br>
                    <b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] CWG - DRAFT
                    discussion document for Singapore V3.5</span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                    <p>sent from Google nexus 4<br>
                      kindly excuse brevity and typos.<br>
                      On 3 Feb 2015 02:35, "Gomes, Chuck" &lt;<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com"
                        target="_blank">cgomes@verisign.com</a>&gt;
                      wrote:<br>
                      &gt;<br>
                      &gt; Thanks Bernie.<br>
                      &gt;<br>
                      &gt; ·         Regarding “Are your concerned about
                      the actual costs for operating the IANA functions,
                      for protocols and numbers, given these are
                      currently funded by ICANN.” – Are don’t think it
                      is accurate to say that they are currently funded
                      by ICANN; ICANN may fund some costs but a large
                      part of the RIR and IETF functions are not funded
                      by ICANN.<br>
                      &gt;<br>
                      While the RIRs contributes $800k+ annually (there
                      is no clear financial contribution made by the
                      IETF body), it's not clear how much is spent to
                      operate numbers functions for instance. So I think
                      the intent of the question could be to understand
                      whether the community is interested in knowing the
                      actual cost of operating the respective functions
                      since everything seem lumped together at the
                      moment.
                      <br>
                      Whether it's appropriate for the CWG to ask would
                      be another thing to consider, so perhaps
                      rephrasing the question to refer to names related
                      function may be helpful. Something similar to
                      below:</p>
                    <p>" Given that the proposal from respective
                      communities may be different, are you concerned
                      about knowing the actual costs for operating the
                      IANA functions related to names"</p>
                    <p>Regards<br>
                      &gt;  <br>
                      &gt;<br>
                      &gt; Chuck<br>
                      &gt;<br>
                      &gt;  <br>
                      &gt;<br>
                      &gt;  <br>
                      &gt;<br>
                      &gt;  <br>
                      &gt;<br>
                      &gt; From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org"
                        target="_blank">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>
                      [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org"
                        target="_blank">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>]
                      On Behalf Of Bernard Turcotte<br>
                      &gt; Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 8:13 PM<br>
                      &gt; To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org"
                        target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br>
                      &gt; Subject: [CWG-Stewardship] CWG - DRAFT
                      discussion document for Singapore V3.5<br>
                      &gt;<br>
                      &gt;  <br>
                      &gt;<br>
                      &gt; All,<br>
                      &gt;<br>
                      &gt;  <br>
                      &gt;<br>
                      &gt; At the request of Lise and Jonathan, given
                      the time-frame is incredibly short, I am including
                      version 3.5 of the discussion document.<br>
                      &gt;<br>
                      &gt;  <br>
                      &gt;<br>
                      &gt; Based on 3.2 all changes are in track changes
                      and each change has been attribute via a comment
                      bubble to the person or persons who made the
                      original comment/request.<br>
                      &gt;<br>
                      &gt;  <br>
                      &gt;<br>
                      &gt; We have also included the questions which
                      were suggested on today's RFP3 call.<br>
                      &gt;<br>
                      &gt;  <br>
                      &gt;<br>
                      &gt; As per Jonathan's request we do need to get
                      this done before heading to Singapore which for
                      most of us will be mid-day Wednesday of this week.
                      As such we would appreciate any significant
                      comments by noon UTC of Wednesday this week at
                      which point we will finalize the document for
                      general distribution.<br>
                      &gt;<br>
                      &gt;  <br>
                      &gt;<br>
                      &gt; Thank You.<br>
                      &gt;<br>
                      &gt;  <br>
                      &gt;<br>
                      &gt; B.<br>
                      &gt;<br>
                      &gt;  <br>
                      &gt;<br>
                      &gt; Ps clean and track changes version included.<br>
                      &gt;<br>
                      &gt;<br>
                      &gt;
                      _______________________________________________<br>
                      &gt; CWG-Stewardship mailing list<br>
                      &gt; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:CWG-Stewardship@icann.org"
                        target="_blank">CWG-Stewardship@icann.org</a><br>
                      &gt; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship"
                        target="_blank">
https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship</a><br>
                      &gt;</p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span>Seun Ojedeji,<br>
                    Federal University Oye-Ekiti<br>
                    web:      </span></i><i><span><a
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                  </span></i><i><span>Mobile: +2348035233535</span></i><i><span><br>
                  </span></i><i><span>alt email:<a
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                      href="http://goog_1872880453" target="_blank">
                    </a><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng"
                      target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng</a></span></i><span></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span>The key to understanding is
                  humility - my view !</span></p>
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