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Hi,<br>
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That was the specific info I got back on the question as well.
Their task is to establish criteria and mechanisms for long term
accountability. While the CWG question can be seen as a component
of accountability, in reality it just information, like the legal
advice that we need for making decisions. Nothing they are doing
will provide that kind of information until decisions are made and
accountability changes are made. We cannot wait that long. Hence
the indication from the CCWG that while financial accountability was
a concern, the financial calculations for IANA today were not really
in scope for them.<br>
<br>
avri<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 03-Feb-15 23:58, Gomes, Chuck wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Seun,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Based on the response that Jonathan
forwarded today from the CCWG co-chairs, it doesn’t appear
to me that the CCWG will adequately deal with budget
accountability and may depend on us to do that.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Chuck</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>From:</span></b><span> Seun
Ojedeji [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com">mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 03, 2015 1:06 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Gomes, Chuck<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Bernard Turcotte (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:turcotte.bernard@gmail.com">turcotte.bernard@gmail.com</a>);
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] CWG - DRAFT discussion
document for Singapore V3.5</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Chuck,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Well i guess my main point is whether
such "accountability" question relating to entire IANA
function is best asked by the CCWG, i am not necessarily
weighing in on the question itself as i think its
relevant.
<br>
<br>
The RIR contribute $823k, however that amount is not
necessarily payment for IANA services but just voluntary
contribution (call it contribution to internet
development). Perhaps i should note that budgetary concern
related to the numbers contribution was also raised during
the development of the numbers proposal (you may read the
thread if interested [1])
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regards<br>
1. <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.nro.net/pipermail/ianaxfer/2015-January/000288.html">https://www.nro.net/pipermail/ianaxfer/2015-January/000288.html</a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Gomes,
Chuck <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" target="_blank">cgomes@verisign.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I definitely think we should
eventually be able to see a breakdown of IANA costs
by naming, numbers and protocols. I say eventually
because, based on my involvement in the ICANN
budget, I don’t think ICANN’s AtTask system is
implemented to support that yet. Those of us who
have been involved in budget issues have been asking
for more budget detail for many years and I am
cautiously optimistic that it will eventually
possible. That said, I strongly support asking for
it.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>The point I was making in my
message was that ICANN funds all of the IANA naming
functions but does not fund all of the IETF and RIR
costs related to IANA processes.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Chuck</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>From:</span></b><span>
Seun Ojedeji [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com"
target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 03, 2015 1:28 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Gomes, Chuck<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Bernard Turcotte (<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:turcotte.bernard@gmail.com"
target="_blank">turcotte.bernard@gmail.com</a>);
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org"
target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] CWG - DRAFT
discussion document for Singapore V3.5</span></p>
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<p>sent from Google nexus 4<br>
kindly excuse brevity and typos.<br>
On 3 Feb 2015 02:35, "Gomes, Chuck" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com"
target="_blank">cgomes@verisign.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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> Thanks Bernie.<br>
><br>
> · Regarding “Are your concerned about
the actual costs for operating the IANA functions,
for protocols and numbers, given these are
currently funded by ICANN.” – Are don’t think it
is accurate to say that they are currently funded
by ICANN; ICANN may fund some costs but a large
part of the RIR and IETF functions are not funded
by ICANN.<br>
><br>
While the RIRs contributes $800k+ annually (there
is no clear financial contribution made by the
IETF body), it's not clear how much is spent to
operate numbers functions for instance. So I think
the intent of the question could be to understand
whether the community is interested in knowing the
actual cost of operating the respective functions
since everything seem lumped together at the
moment.
<br>
Whether it's appropriate for the CWG to ask would
be another thing to consider, so perhaps
rephrasing the question to refer to names related
function may be helpful. Something similar to
below:</p>
<p>" Given that the proposal from respective
communities may be different, are you concerned
about knowing the actual costs for operating the
IANA functions related to names"</p>
<p>Regards<br>
> <br>
><br>
> Chuck<br>
><br>
> <br>
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> <br>
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> <br>
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> From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>
[mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>]
On Behalf Of Bernard Turcotte<br>
> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 8:13 PM<br>
> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org"
target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br>
> Subject: [CWG-Stewardship] CWG - DRAFT
discussion document for Singapore V3.5<br>
><br>
> <br>
><br>
> All,<br>
><br>
> <br>
><br>
> At the request of Lise and Jonathan, given
the time-frame is incredibly short, I am including
version 3.5 of the discussion document.<br>
><br>
> <br>
><br>
> Based on 3.2 all changes are in track changes
and each change has been attribute via a comment
bubble to the person or persons who made the
original comment/request.<br>
><br>
> <br>
><br>
> We have also included the questions which
were suggested on today's RFP3 call.<br>
><br>
> <br>
><br>
> As per Jonathan's request we do need to get
this done before heading to Singapore which for
most of us will be mid-day Wednesday of this week.
As such we would appreciate any significant
comments by noon UTC of Wednesday this week at
which point we will finalize the document for
general distribution.<br>
><br>
> <br>
><br>
> Thank You.<br>
><br>
> <br>
><br>
> B.<br>
><br>
> <br>
><br>
> Ps clean and track changes version included.<br>
><br>
><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span>Seun Ojedeji,<br>
Federal University Oye-Ekiti<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>The key to understanding is
humility - my view !</span></p>
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