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For such a number to have been developed there has to be a full
analysis and breakdown of historical and projected future costs.<br>
<br>
Which means the information we are seeking is available. What is
the process for acquiring it?<br>
<br>
Matthew<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/3/2015 10:10 PM, Alan Greenberg
wrote:<br>
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FY15 budget seems to claim total is 3.0M. Can't say wheter there
are
other items scattered around that are attributable to IANA without
the
label on them.<br>
<br>
Alan<br>
<br>
At 03/02/2015 04:36 PM, Avri Doria wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite" class="cite" cite="">Hi,<br>
<font color="#330033"><br>
I thought it was a obvious question, but several people did
not think so,
and seemed to condemn the asking. Hence I have tried to
explain why
I thought it important. Seemed the least I could do.<br>
<br>
I think needing to know is not limited to any particular
model.<br>
<br>
If we can't get a real figure we might be able to calculate
something
close using some standard reasoning:<br>
<br>
Full IANA employe salary budget * ICANN average burden
multiplier
(including all overhead costs, including senior management
costs,
administrative costs, travel, benefits, office space,
insurance
etc)<br>
<br>
Companies geneally have this so they know the costs of adding
each new
employee - it isn't just salary. Often this runs 100 - 200%
of
salary.<br>
<br>
Then if we figure out the FTE (full time equivalent) assigned
to each of
the ICG designated separable operational functions we would
have a
reasonable back of the envelop figure for the costs per
operational
community. While it would be good to someday have the exact
figures, such a calculation would at least give us general
understanding.<br>
<br>
Having once, briefly, been the CEO of a startup, I know this
is not high
finance and should be trivial for someone that has all the
numbers to
crunch.<br>
<br>
As for the RIR contribution to ICANN, if we assume their
approx 1 million
contribution is 1% of the total ICANN income (not counting new
gTLD
windfall and assuming a 100MUSD income), then we have an idea
that their
contribution to IANA is that same 1% since they are not
specifically
allocated funds.<br>
<br>
Sorry to be so pointed on this, especially since I have never
gotten
involved in the financial issues at ICANN before. But it is a
critical piece of the puzzle and I think we need all of the
pieces.<br>
<br>
avri<br>
<br>
On 03-Feb-15 22:03, Alan Greenberg wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite" class="cite" cite="">One can dive down
and find all
sorts of reasons for wanting/needing the budget (for
instance, those who
oppose Contract Co want to know by what percentage the
overall budget
might grow with additional structures). But regardless of
the specific
rationale, it is reasonable to assign some numbers to this
if only to put
the overall operation in perspective. <br>
<br>
ICANN presents its budgets base on objective. This makes
complete sense
if you want to identify what a certain objective is costing,
and one
would not, for instance want to say that IT has had it's
budget double
when all of the growth is related to once strategic
objective that was
adopted.<br>
<br>
But our need is a different one, and if the financial system
cannot
deliver what we want automatically, it should be completely
reasonable to
expect someone to do the calculation by hand. We should not
have to be
debating this ad infinitum.<br>
<br>
Alan<br>
<br>
At 03/02/2015 03:35 PM, Avri Doria wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite" class="cite" cite="">Hi,<br>
<br>
I think these questions ought to asked because ICANN,
funded mostly
by Names, pays for all of IANA's services.<br>
<br>
I think we need to know how much this costs and what the
various portions
cost as we are making assumptions about future possible
plans. It
is part of the stability question we need to answer.
Something I
know quite well is that lack of budget results in lack of
stability.<br>
<br>
The ICG has declared the three operational entities
separate, and each of
the three is declaring that they could leave ICANN if
displeased - a
position I agree with. But this is a service that cost
quite a bit
I expect and such independence would come at a cost. I
think we
need know the costs in order to figure out this puzzle.
We cannot
asume that thing could change without know what the costs
would
be.<br>
<br>
For the Names side, we know that the cost = total cost for
IANA -
costs(Numbers + Protocols). But what is that in numbers?<br>
<br>
<br>
avri<br>
<br>
On 03-Feb-15 02:34, Gomes, Chuck wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite" class="cite" cite=""><br>
· Why are we asking
questions about numbers and protocols? If there is a
good reason
for that, I suggest that the questions regarding numbers
and protocols be
separate from the questions for names.<br>
<br>
· Regarding “<b>Are your
concerned about the actual costs for operating the
IANA functions, for
protocols and numbers, given these are currently
funded by ICANN.</b>” –
Are don’t think it is accurate to say that they are
currently funded by
ICANN; ICANN may fund some costs but a large part of the
RIR and IETF
functions are not funded by ICANN.</blockquote>
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