Some responses whilst awaiting Jordan's:<div><br></div><div>We are not transitioning to the "private sector"; we are transitioning to the "global Multistakeholder community". Not the same thing, if we are trying to be careful about language (as we should be).</div><div><br></div><div>Separability (ie, the ability to remove the IANA Functions Operator from ICANN at some future date in response to some agreed triggers) is a principle that this CWG (not just Jordan) adopted as one of our Principles. One reason for this is that it does exist now -- NTIA has that ability. All of the models (including the auDA-inspired models) include this ability. Removing separability as an accountability measure would be the radical step here. Collapsing the NTIA's role into ICANN's would be the significant change.<div><div><br></div><div>The "distributed" model of oversight was intended to provide a barrier to concentrating power in one body. Again, this is a feature of several models. It's not a necessity from an operational standpoint. Contract Co., the MRT and the CSC could be collapsed, but there would be strong objections from some quarters. Others might appreciate the simplicity and believe that excess empowerment can be solved in other ways.</div><div><br></div><div>Also, if we are being careful and consistent about language, "structural separation" is not what you are using it to mean. Structural separation would be the current separation of those performing the IANA Functions Operator duties from ICANN (e.g., by putting them and their assets into a new corporation). Contract Co. Is not "structural separation," and creating it is not an "act of separation," it is (among other things) a tool to achieve separability.<br><div><br></div><div>Trusts have their own issues of jurisdiction and structure. There is no easy answer.</div><div><br></div><div>Hope this helps.<span></span></div><div><br></div><div>Greg</div><div><br><br>On Thursday, February 5, 2015, Paul Szyndler <<a href="mailto:paul.szyndler@auda.org.au">paul.szyndler@auda.org.au</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-AU" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#666666">Hi Jordan (and all),<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"></p></div></div></blockquote><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-AU" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#666666"> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#666666">I wanted to follow up on a few exchanges that Jordan and Chris had over the last couple of weeks regarding the work of the CWG on the IANA transition.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#666666">In particular, I wanted to ask a few questions in order to get a better understanding of the reasons behind InternetNZ’s position and the principles outlined in your submission to the CWG’s consultation.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#666666"> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#666666">Among your key principles, there are some that I obviously wouldn’t question – for example, the ongoing independence and policy development responsibilities of ccTLD managers.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#666666">But there are a few principles upon which you base your position that don’t immediately appear aligned with ICANN’s core mission nor the goals of the NTIA’s intent to transfer the management of the DNS “to the private sector”.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#666666"> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#666666">As you know, the fundamental mission of ICANN is to coordinate the stable and secure operation of the Internet.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#666666">Supporting principles include the introduction of consumer choice and competition, stakeholder participation and the meaningful engagement of other relevant stakeholder bodies and affected parties.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#666666"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#666666">But neither the ICANN Bylaws nor mission statement refer explicitly to Internet NZ’s proposed principles of separability and a distributed model for stewardship.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#666666">How then, do your proposed principles contribute to ICANN’s ongoing mission, and the resolution of the current transition process? Why are the principles of separability and distributed stewardship afforded such weight?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#666666">In particular, as a ccTLD manager, what has led you to assume and justify the principles of separability and distributed stewardship, when no such principles existed previously?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#666666"> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#666666">My next few questions relate to the fundamental differences of opinion we have exchanged regarding the future of IANA. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#666666"> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#666666">Even if the principle of structural separation is to be accepted, why does InternetNZ believe that such a significant and rigid act of separation (establishment of a Contract Co) is required<span> </span><i>at this stage</i><span> </span>of ICANN’s evolution?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#666666">Is it not equally valid to consider that the codified “ability” to separate in the future is an acceptable outcome?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#666666">Are models, such as a Trust, at least equally capable of delivering a desired result, without issues such as jurisdiction and structure, that are associated with establishing a Contract Co.? <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#666666"> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#666666">I’d welcome your views – both via email and (inevitably) further discussion when we catch up in Singapore.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#666666"> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#666666">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#666666"> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#666666">Paul<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div><br><br>-- <br><div dir="ltr"><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:12pt;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#17365d">Gregory S. 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