<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"><base href="x-msg://248/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Ah! Milton agrees … !<div><br></div><div>I would add that from my point of view, and in the primary 1998 international understanding, (to which Ira refers in the 'Collected Feedback')</div><div> ICANN's primary regulatory function relates to the conditions of competition among Registries and Registrars.</div><div>That is why I am specifically concerned about the likely consequences of the so-called 'vertical integration' decision.</div><div><br></div><div>I rest my case: the ICANN Board is the Regulator; not a 'stakeholder'. </div><div><br></div><div>Not more tonight; it is already late.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div><br></div><div>CW</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On 20 Feb 2015, at 22:48, Milton L Mueller <<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu">mueller@syr.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Martin, in ccTLD land ICANN may not look like a regulator but in gTLD land here is what it does:<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -0.25in; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><span>·<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">impose dispute resolution rules on every gTLD registrant in the world<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -0.25in; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><span>·<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">decides on the supply of a resource (TLDs),<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -0.25in; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><span>·<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">accredits registrars,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -0.25in; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><span>·<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">fixes or has the ability to fix the price for registries’ wholesale prices<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -0.25in; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><span>·<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">establishes requirements, terms and conditions for the registry-registrar relationship<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -0.25in; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><span>·<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">requires the use of certain technologies (e.g., DNSSEC)<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I could go on…<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Regulators can run things but whether they do or not, ICANN is a regulator/policy maker.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></a></div><div style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1.5pt; border-left-color: blue; padding: 0in 0in 0in 4pt; "><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in; "><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:cwg-<a href="mailto:stewardship-bounces@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Martin Boyle<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, February 20, 2015 1:45 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Christopher Wilkinson;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Stewardship<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [CWG-Stewardship] A liaison from the Board to CWG<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Definitely +1 to this idea, Lise.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">And in response to Christopher, I heard Strickling refer to ICANN as one of the stakeholders. I’m not sure about ICANN as regulator and IANA functions operator – regulators don’t really run stuff, do they? It might be a regulator for the gTLD (registry and registrar) operations, but I’d like to understand why you’d think that this also applied to the IANA functions operation.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Martin<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0in 0in; "><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Christopher Wilkinson<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>20 February 2015 15:17<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Stewardship<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [CWG-Stewardship] A liaison from the Board to CWG<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-GB">Okay, +1<span class="apple-tab-span"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>CW<o:p></o:p></span></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-GB">PS:<span class="apple-tab-span"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span> However, I do not see the ICANN Board as a 'stakeholder' in its own right.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span class="apple-tab-span"><span lang="EN-GB"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span><span lang="EN-GB">Rather, the ICANN Board is the Regulator holding the Ring among all the Stakeholders.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span class="apple-tab-span"><span lang="EN-GB"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span><span lang="EN-GB">That is why the composition of the Board, the way it is appointed and its accountability to the Community, including Governments, is so important, going forward.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-GB">On 20 Feb 2015, at 12:15, Seun Ojedeji <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-GB">Hi Lise,<br><br>This is a welcome idea and i am in support of it.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-GB">Thanks for providing prior notice<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-GB">Cheers!<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-GB">On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Lise Fuhr <<a href="mailto:lise.fuhr@difo.dk" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">lise.fuhr@difo.dk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-GB">Dear All,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-GB">During the meeting in Singapore the co-chairs have picked up that ICANN Board is an important stakeholder for this groups as well. We have noticed that there have been involvement from the Board in the CWG work during calls and during the actual meetings in Singapore. Because of this involvement, the fact that the board is a stakeholder and in order to ensure a continuously and open dialogue with the CWG, we find that having a liaison from the board could be helpful. Not that the liaison will have a special status within the group but serve as a link between the CWG and the ICANN board, in line with how the CCWG has a liaison from ICANN Board.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-GB">Jonathan and I intend to approach the board regarding this in the beginning of next week.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-GB">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-GB">Jonathan and Lise<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-GB"><br>_______________________________________________<br>CWG-Stewardship mailing list<br><a href="mailto:CWG-Stewardship@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">CWG-Stewardship@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-GB"><br><br clear="all"><br>--<o:p></o:p></span></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-GB">------------------------------------------------------------------------<span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136); "><o:p></o:p></span></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><i><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family: Garamond, serif; color: rgb(0, 102, 0); ">Seun Ojedeji,<br>Federal University Oye-Ekiti<br>web: <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></i><i><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family: Garamond, serif; color: rgb(136, 136, 136); "><a href="http://www.fuoye.edu.ng/" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.fuoye.edu.ng</a><br></span></i><i><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family: Garamond, serif; color: rgb(0, 102, 0); ">Mobile: +2348035233535</span></i><i><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family: Garamond, serif; color: rgb(136, 136, 136); "><br></span></i><i><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family: Garamond, serif; color: rgb(0, 102, 0); ">alt email:<a href="http://goog_1872880453/" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></a><a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng</a></span></i><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family: Garamond, serif; color: rgb(136, 136, 136); "><o:p></o:p></span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family: Garamond, serif; color: rgb(136, 136, 136); ">The key to understanding is humility - my view !<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-GB">_______________________________________________<br>CWG-Stewardship mailing list<br><a href="mailto:CWG-Stewardship@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">CWG-Stewardship@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship</a><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>