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    Hi,<br>
    <br>
    While the document is fairly stable, conceptually, as of the last
    PDF I sent out, I will send out an updated snapshot on Monday that
    tries to take into account the questions we are receiving.  Some of
    the questions show that the document could be clearer.  I will also
    include a snapshot of any other the other expository docs we are
    working on.<br>
    <br>
    avri<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 20-Feb-15 12:13, Greg Shatan wrote:<br>
    </div>
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cite="mid:CA+aOHURDAT6=mzp9Cvg=xPrsf69m3TwCOuysi-9kyDAjOZsz1g@mail.gmail.com"
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      <div dir="ltr">I would follow on Jonathan &amp; Lise's note and
        suggest that a "stable" draft of this proposal be ready for
        circulation on Monday, at least 24 hours before Tuesday's call. 
        It should either be distributed with the agenda or with a cover
        email expressly stating that this will be discussed on the
        Tuesday call and should be reviewed beforehand so that we have
        an informed set of participants.
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Greg</div>
      </div>
      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:01 PM, Avri
          Doria <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a>&gt;</span>
          wrote:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote">
            <div> Hi,<br>
              <br>
              Thanks.  Happy to do so.<span class="HOEnZb"><br>
                <br>
                avri</span>
              <div>
                <div class="h5"><br>
                  <br>
                  <div>On 20-Feb-15 11:56, Jonathan Robinson wrote:<br>
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                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Avri and CWG members /
                          participants,</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Lise and I discussed
                          this and we propose to have this as a
                          substantive agenda item at the CWG call on
                          Tuesday.</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span>I suggest that you come
                          prepared to present the thinking and rationale
                          behind the model and the CWG members /
                          participants come prepared to question /
                          discuss.</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Thanks,</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Jonathan</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                      <div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                              lang="EN-US"> Avri Doria [<a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:avri@acm.org"
                                target="_blank">mailto:avri@acm.org</a>]
                              <br>
                              <b>Sent:</b> 20 February 2015 15:32<br>
                              <b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org"
                                target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br>
                              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship]
                              Update on the Integrated model.</span></p>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">Hi,<br>
                        <br>
                      </p>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal">On 19-Feb-15 18:13, Gomes,
                          Chuck wrote:</p>
                      </div>
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                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks Avri.  Forgive me
                            if this was already discussed by I haven’t
                            been able to keep up on this very well.  </p>
                        </div>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                        No it has not been discussed in the CWG yet.  I
                        have hopes for the future and glad for the
                        present opportunity.<br>
                        <br>
                        There have been many informal conversations with
                        diverse people, i.e. anyone we could find free
                        in Singapore and could buttonhole long enough to
                        explain the model,  but nothing formal.<br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                      </p>
                      <div>
                        <p>·         Has this approach been vetted with
                          the protocol and numbers communities?</p>
                      </div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                        Vetted, no.  <br>
                        <br>
                        Discussed informally with some participants from
                        those operational communities, yes.<br>
                        <br>
                        Two points:<br>
                        <br>
                        -the first configuration is pretty much an ICANN
                        internal model and other than being coordinated
                        by the ICG probably does not need a whole lot of
                        vetting by the other operational communities.<br>
                        <br>
                        - even the other models do not require a whole
                        lot of change from the other operational
                        models.  But lining up the operational
                        community's solutions is the main task of the
                        ICG once we have come up with our solution.  We
                        were careful to keep changes required by those
                        communities limited mostly to the degree of
                        control they had over IANA and the contracting
                        point of contact.<br>
                        <br>
                        Finally, there are many members of those
                        operational communities on our lists so
                        hopefully they have been taking a look at it as
                        it was developing.  We received anonymous
                        comments from many people in the docs, no idea
                        who most of them were.  <br>
                        <br>
                        I would not expect any sort of formal answer
                        from the other operational communities before
                        the CWG has even reviewed it.  At this point
                        this is just a proposal by an ad hoc, self
                        selected drafting team looking for an solution
                        to the apparent impasse between the Inside and
                        Outside models. Something  for all to question
                        and hopefully discuss in an open manner.<br>
                        <br>
                        Finally we are always happy to talk to those
                        communities and their members, if they have  an
                        interest that predates a possible CWG decision
                        to accept this model. As I say, there are
                        representatives of those communities on this
                        list and I would be happy to hear from them.  As
                        would our my partners in this project, though
                        they are more taciturn than I am, and have given
                        me leave to use the word  'we'  (though be
                        assured they will correct me anytime I step
                        wrong).<br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                      </p>
                      <div>
                        <p>·         What does it mean that “ICANN
                          establishes SLAs/MoU with Post Transition
                          IANA”?  Why would ICANN be involved in this?</p>
                      </div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                        Because in any of the configurations of the
                        model there is a degree of separation. The fully
                        owned subsidiary confirguartion does include
                        full structural separation into the subsidiary. 
                        Often the interface, in cases of an fully owned
                        entity,  is an SLA/MOU.  One of the stresses for
                        the Outside model people in the CWG is that fact
                        the the relationship between the ICANN
                        operational community and IANA has no
                        externalized rigor.  SLAs/MOUs between a parent
                        company and a subsidiary are one way to
                        establish such a controlled relationship. <br>
                        <br>
                        So even in the fully owned subsidiary of ICANN,
                        it is possible for ICANN, the parent company, to
                        establish SLA and MOUs with its Post Transition
                        IANA (PTI) subsidiary. <br>
                        <br>
                        In the Shared Service Arrangement, ICANN would
                        be one of 3 operational community joint owners*
                        establishing  SLA/MOUs with their jointly owned
                        subsidiary.<br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                      </p>
                      <div>
                        <p>·         With regard to the overall status
                          of the IANA functions operator, I understand
                          the need for parity between the three
                          organizations, but when it comes to each of
                          their specific functions, I don’t see the
                          value of parity.  For example, couldn’t parity
                          become a problem with regard to issues related
                          to the naming functions from a naming
                          community point of view?</p>
                      </div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                        The CSC, in support of its SLAs with recourse to
                        the IAP is the main point for naming community
                        issues. The only parity issues there might be
                        those within the CSC in terms of Registry
                        priority within that committee and the balance
                        within ICANN's PTI Board representation.<br>
                        <br>
                        The Post Transition IANA (PTI) Board function is
                        limited to IANA internal operational issues,
                        finances and exception processing.<br>
                        <br>
                        By the time an issue gets passed the IAP, which
                        I personally hope has binding arbitration
                        capabilities, to the Board of the PTI as an
                        exception processing issue, it is one that would
                        probably be broader that just a naming community
                        issue and warrant the check and balances a board
                        with full parity brings.<br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                      </p>
                      <div>
                        <p>·         Without in any way criticizing the
                          proposed approach, isn’t the new IANA board a
                          new architectural feature</p>
                      </div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                        Criticism is fine, this is an out of the box
                        proposal meant to solve a nearly intractable
                        problem amongst the Inside model, the Outside
                        model and Republicans in the US congress.  If it
                        can't deal with criticism it isn't going to get
                        very far.  Criticism is the fuel of improvement.
                        And this model, as all models, needs improvement
                        only broader discussions, i.e. criticism, self
                        criticism and further work, can bring.<br>
                        <br>
                        Yes the model includes  new architectural
                        features, just as the CSC, MRT and IAP are.  In
                        fact it is a variation on the mainstream theme,
                        though like in the internal models, the Contract
                        Co has been eliminated, so one less new feature
                        to deal with.<br>
                        <br>
                        But indeed it does need meet the accountability
                        test that Strickling mentioned for new
                        components.  <br>
                        <br>
                        Working on a draft on that now. Pretty close
                        too, just waitng for one of the team to get back
                        from vacation and check it out before opening it
                        up for wider criticism and discussion.<br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                      </p>
                      <div>
                        <p>·         Has any thought been put into the
                          source of funding?</p>
                      </div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                        Yes.<br>
                        <br>
                        In the wholly own subsidiary, ICANN subsidizes,
                        as it owns it. Really no diffferent that it does
                        now, just with a more transparent and specific
                        budget.<br>
                        <br>
                        In the Shared Service Arrangements, it is shared
                        between the owners (IETF/IAB/ISOC, ICANN &amp;
                        RIRs/NRO) in some way they agree on.  I
                        understand that the numbers community already
                        contributes a significiant sum to ICANN
                        operations, perhaps some part of it is intended
                        for IANA operations and would be redirected.  As
                        for the protocol community, I expect the others
                        would continue to carry them given their nature
                        as a subsidized volunteer group that takes in no
                        income but which remains critical to the IANA
                        ecosystem and the Internet itself.<br>
                        <br>
                        In the Free Standing configuration, I haven't
                        really thought about funding, though perhaps
                        others in the team have. I would assume a model
                        that included startup investment from the
                        operational communities, and perhaps others, and
                        the development of a fund raising, or income
                        producing, strategy by its Board.  Just like any
                        other free standing company.  I think anyone who
                        championed that confdiguration would need to get
                        mode specific on those details.  <br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                      </p>
                      <div>
                        <p>·         Who would have MOUs with the Post
                          Transition IANA?</p>
                      </div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                        They would be between Post Transition IANA (PTI)
                        and each its customers: IETF/IAB/ISOC, ICANN,
                        &amp;  RIRs/NRO<br>
                        Not sure what you mean by "who holds them?"<br>
                        <br>
                        I suppose in the fully subsidized configuration,
                        the parent compnay ICANN could still hold the
                        SLA/MOUs the for the protocol and number
                        operational communities, if they wanted to
                        continue contracting with ICANN instead of PTI. 
                        This would require a slight variation on the
                        subsidiary configuration, but could be defined. 
                        Ie. ICANN would remain repsonsble for meeting
                        the SLA, and it would use its fully own IANA
                        subsidiary to do the work.<br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                      </p>
                      <div>
                        <p>·         In the ICANN subsidiary, shared
                          services and free-standing diagrams, why is
                          ICANN shown as one of three elements of the
                          Post Transition IANA Board?</p>
                      </div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                        The Board is made up of the three operational
                        communities, each of which brings it paticualr
                        multstakeholder mix to the table.  ICANN, our
                        CWG community,  is one of the 3 operational
                        communities and thus should bring its
                        multistakeholder mix to the PTI Board.<br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                      </p>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal">I appreciate the thought
                          that has gone into this.</p>
                      </div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                        And I yours.<br>
                        <br>
                        Thanks<br>
                        avri<br>
                        <br>
                        * The model also allows for separate SLA/MOUS
                        with the the non participating ccTLDs if
                        necessary - the the PTI Board makes no
                        accommodation for that at this point - a
                        complexity we did not tackle.  The model is
                        based on the notion that each of the operational
                        communities internalizes its own
                        multistakeholder churn, but we recognize that
                        some of the churn cannot always be internalized.<br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                      </p>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal">Chuck</p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                        <div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org"
                                target="_blank">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>
                              [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org"
                                target="_blank">mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>]
                              <b>On Behalf Of </b>Avri Doria<br>
                              <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 18, 2015
                              2:09 PM<br>
                              <b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org"
                                target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br>
                              <b>Subject:</b> [CWG-Stewardship] Update
                              on the Integrated model.</p>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal">Hi,<br>
                          <br>
                          As mentioned in an earlier email, Matthew
                          Shears, Brenden Kuerbis and I have been
                          working on a model that attempts to integrate
                          solutions to some of the various sets of
                          concerns by those favoring internal models and
                          those preferring  external models while trying
                          to make the model simpler and more accountable
                          to the IANA ecosystem and the wider
                          community.  During Singapore week we spoke to
                          as many as we could about this model and have
                          received, and worked through, a number of
                          comments on the open  drive draft document,
                          which we announced on the list.<br>
                          <br>
                          The working draft, which is still a work in
                          progress and remains open for comment can be
                          found at:<br>
                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SvKDEIaeHdre3BQXHNe1K3hCA95dsFWqWAz2Kg5YZCU/edit?usp=sharing"
                            target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SvKDEIaeHdre3BQXHNe1K3hCA95dsFWqWAz2Kg5YZCU/edit?usp=sharing</a><br>
                          <br>
                          I have attached a pdf version of a snapshot
                          draft of the doc as of today.<br>
                          <br>
                          We would like to be able to present this at
                          the next RFP3 meeting.  Or anywhere else that
                          is appropriate.<br>
                          <br>
                          We are also working on drafts to document the
                          means by which this model responds to NTIA
                          requirements, but we will able to speak those
                          on list and during the meeting.<br>
                          <br>
                          In the draft we present three possible
                          configurations for the model.  The authors
                          believe that Shared Service Arrangement (page
                          6) is the preferred configuration, as it
                          offers the most accountability for the least
                          amount of change or complexity.  We would also
                          be interested to see how these models fare
                          under the stress testing - we have not done
                          that in any focused way yet, though we have
                          kept those tests in mind. <br>
                          <br>
                          It should be noted that this model would
                          require a minimal amount of accommodation by
                          the Protocols and Number communities, but
                          believe that this accommodation while not
                          disturbing their current model in any
                          significant way would make IANA more
                          accountable to them as well.<br>
                          <br>
                          Thanks<br>
                          <br>
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