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hi,<br>
<br>
And for balance, if we add another non lawyer, perhaps we then also
need to add another lawyer.<br>
<br>
Personally i never understood before that it takes this long to find
legal advice.<br>
<br>
avri<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 25-Feb-15 12:22, Milton L Mueller
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Yes, maybe we could cool down some of
the concerns if you just added Kieren and one other
independent to it.
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>(I am NOT volunteering!)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>--MM</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
name="_MailEndCompose"><span> </span></a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>From:</span></b><span>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org">mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kieren McCarthy<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 24, 2015 6:56 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Gomes, Chuck<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a> Stewardship<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Client Committee
Update</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">> <span>How do we balance
functionality and timely efficiency with allowing full
openness to all?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I don't see many others asking to
join this committee so I'm not sure this question is
valid.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">What I would be more concerned about
is if the first proper decision made by this group is
done within a small group that refused to allows others
in, even when asked.</p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Kieren</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 10:31 AM,
Gomes, Chuck <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" target="_blank">cgomes@verisign.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Kieren,</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">How do we balance functionality
and timely efficiency with allowing full openness
to all?</p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Chuck</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Sent via the Samsung
GALAXY S® 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone</span></p>
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<br>
-------- Original message --------<br>
From: Kieren McCarthy <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:kierenmccarthy@gmail.com"
target="_blank">kierenmccarthy@gmail.com</a>>
<br>
Date:02/24/2015 1:24 PM (GMT-05:00) <br>
To: "Gomes, Chuck" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" target="_blank">cgomes@verisign.com</a>>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Cc: Greg Shatan <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com"
target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>,
"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org"
target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>
Stewardship" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org"
target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>>
<br>
Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Client Committee
Update </p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">So far with this
transition process, every group has been
open to all those who wish to join with an
expectation of participation.
</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I would expect those
same rules to apply here. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">It strikes me that it
would set a dangerous precedent if the
chairs are allowed to create a closed
group at any time.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Kieren</p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at
10:19 AM, Gomes, Chuck <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com"
target="_blank">cgomes@verisign.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In my opinion, as
soon as we open this up to others it
will become too large to be
effective in what I believe will
need to be an interactive process
with the legal team selected. I
personally favor keeping it as is
and require transparency and regular
interaction by the 4 members with
the CWG.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Chuck</p>
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AT&T 4G LTE smartphone</span></p>
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-------- Original message --------<br>
From: Greg Shatan <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com"
target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>
<br>
Date:02/24/2015 1:01 PM (GMT-05:00) <br>
To: Kieren McCarthy <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:kierenmccarthy@gmail.com"
target="_blank">kierenmccarthy@gmail.com</a>>
<br>
Cc: "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org"
target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>
Stewardship" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org"
target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>>
<br>
Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Client
Committee Update </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I will
leave this to our CWG chairs,
who convened the committee. I
am just a humble servant.
</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Greg</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue,
Feb 24, 2015 at 12:12 PM,
Kieren McCarthy <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:kierenmccarthy@gmail.com"
target="_blank">kierenmccarthy@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
<blockquote>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I'd
be interested in joining
this group, help
contribute.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Can
you advise how I join?</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Kieren</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
-<br>
[sent through phone]</p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<div>
<div>
<p>On Tue, Feb 24,
2015 at 8:06 AM,
Greg Shatan <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
<blockquote>
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<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">The
client
committee is
myself,
Maarten Simon,
Jonathan
Robinson and
Lise Fuhr.
</p>
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<p
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</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">Greg
Shatan</p>
</div>
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<p
class="MsoNormal">On
Tue, Feb 24,
2015 at 10:04
AM, CW Lists
<<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu" target="_blank">lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal">Who
are the
members of the
Client
Committee? </p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">CW</p>
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<p
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<p
class="MsoNormal">On
24 Feb 2015,
at 06:33,
Kieren
McCarthy <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:kierenmccarthy@gmail.com"
target="_blank">kierenmccarthy@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
</div>
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<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">Can
I assume you
will be
posting the
three
remaining law
firms
responses to
this list,
albeit with
identifying
information
removed?</p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal">Kieren</p>
</div>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><br>
-<br>
[sent through
phone]</p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<p>On Mon, Feb
23, 2015 at
12:00 PM, Greg
Shatan <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com"
target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal">All:</p>
</div>
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<p
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<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">I
write to
update you all
on the
activities of
the Client
Committee.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">The
Client
Committee met
on Friday,
February 20.
Also attending
were
representatives
of ICANN
legal, since
they will need
to play a role
in the
selection and
engagement of
counsel.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">We
had initially
identified a
total of eight
firms. Each
firm has
appropriate
expertise in
corporate
governance,
non-profit
matters,
trusts, etc.
Each firm also
has a strong
California
presence, as
well as other
offices in the
US and other
countries. </p>
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<p
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<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">One
firm has
withdrawn due
to workload
issues. Four
firms have
withdrawn due
to client
conflicts</p>
</div>
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<p
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</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">We
are left with
a short list
of three
firms. Each
of these firms
has now sent
us a document
discussing
their relevant
capabilities.
At least one
member of the
client
committee has
had a
preliminary
discussion
with each
firm. We are
now in the
process of
setting up a
series of
follow-up
calls for this
week between
the Client
Committee and
each firm.</p>
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<p
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<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">While
we would like
to reveal the
names of the
firms
remaining on
the short
list, at this
point, it is
premature to
do so. We
will need to
ask each firm
permission to
identify it to
this group.
We will
discuss this
with them
during our
calls this
week.</p>
</div>
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<p
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</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">We
will keep the
CWG updated on
our progress.</p>
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<p
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regards,</p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal">Greg
Shatan</p>
<p
class="MsoNormal">for
the Client
Committee </p>
<p
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<p
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