<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi Avri:<div><div><br></div><div>That thought on fees was meant as an aside. I didn't mean for it to distract attention from the main idea. <div><br></div><div>I was trying to find a way for this group to easily admit Kieren, get benefit out of his participation, provide transparency, and end the distracting discussion about membership in that group.</div><div><br></div><div>Because the topic is on the table: a fee could be justified if we were giving only the reporting role and not a participant's role in the discussion. Kieren's role here would be exactly how he makes his living (reporting on ICANN) so I felt odd for volunteering him without making a statement like that. </div><div><br></div><div>I still recommend that the team admit Kieren and ask him to take the reporting role for the reasons above. Just drop the fee part. It is another distraction from the big issues at hand. </div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for asking,</div><div><br></div><div>Kurt</div><div><br></div><div><div>On Feb 24, 2015, at 8:50 AM, Avri Doria <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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Hi,<br>
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Was with you until the payment of a fee.<br>
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Would not some of the arguments we have heard about the effect of
ICANN money being persuasive, mean that our rapporteur could not be
paid?<br>
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avri<br>
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Why not make Kieren the rapporteur? That would add transparency,
take the reporting load off of the other participants, and he is a
professional. He could be paid a fee by ICANN.
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<div>On Feb 24, 2015, at 7:43 AM, Avri Doria <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a>>
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<div> hi,<br>
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And for balance, if we add another non lawyer, perhaps
we then also need to add another lawyer.<br>
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Personally i never understood before that it takes this
long to find legal advice.<br>
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avri<br>
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Kieren and one other independent to it. </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span>(I am NOT volunteering!)</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span>--MM</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true" name="_MailEndCompose"> </a></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b><span> <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kieren McCarthy<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 24, 2015
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Stewardship<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship]
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10:31 AM, Gomes, Chuck <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" target="_blank">cgomes@verisign.com</a>>
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"<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>
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Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship]
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">So far with
this transition process, every
group has been open to all those
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Chuck <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" target="_blank">cgomes@verisign.com</a>>
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opinion, as soon as we
open this up to others
it will become too large
to be effective in what
I believe will need to
be an interactive
process with the legal
team selected. I
personally favor keeping
it as is and require
transparency and regular
interaction by the 4
members with the CWG.</p>
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Date:02/24/2015 1:01 PM
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To: Kieren McCarthy <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:kierenmccarthy@gmail.com" target="_blank">kierenmccarthy@gmail.com</a>>
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Cc: "<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>
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Subject: Re:
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Committee Update </p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">I
will leave this to
our CWG chairs,
who convened the
committee. I am
just a humble
servant. </p>
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Tue, Feb 24,
2015 at 12:12
PM, Kieren
McCarthy <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:kierenmccarthy@gmail.com" target="_blank">kierenmccarthy@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">I'd
be interested
in joining
this group,
help
contribute.</p>
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you advise how
I join?</p>
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-<br>
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<div><p>On Tue, Feb
24, 2015 at
8:06 AM, Greg
Shatan <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">The
client
committee is
myself,
Maarten Simon,
Jonathan
Robinson and
Lise Fuhr. </p>
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Tue, Feb 24,
2015 at 10:04
AM, CW Lists
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu" target="_blank">lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</a>>
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are the
members of the
Client
Committee? </p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">On
24 Feb 2015,
at 06:33,
Kieren
McCarthy <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:kierenmccarthy@gmail.com" target="_blank">kierenmccarthy@gmail.com</a>>
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I assume you
will be
posting the
three
remaining law
firms
responses to
this list,
albeit with
identifying
information
removed?</p>
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-<br>
[sent through
phone]</p>
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<div><p>On Mon, Feb
23, 2015 at
12:00 PM, Greg
Shatan <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">I
write to
update you all
on the
activities of
the Client
Committee.</p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">The
Client
Committee met
on Friday,
February 20.
Also attending
were
representatives
of ICANN
legal, since
they will need
to play a role
in the
selection and
engagement of
counsel.</p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">We
had initially
identified a
total of eight
firms. Each
firm has
appropriate
expertise in
corporate
governance,
non-profit
matters,
trusts, etc.
Each firm also
has a strong
California
presence, as
well as other
offices in the
US and other
countries. </p>
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firm has
withdrawn due
to workload
issues. Four
firms have
withdrawn due
to client
conflicts</p>
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are left with
a short list
of three
firms. Each
of these firms
has now sent
us a document
discussing
their relevant
capabilities.
At least one
member of the
client
committee has
had a
preliminary
discussion
with each
firm. We are
now in the
process of
setting up a
series of
follow-up
calls for this
week between
the Client
Committee and
each firm.</p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">While
we would like
to reveal the
names of the
firms
remaining on
the short
list, at this
point, it is
premature to
do so. We
will need to
ask each firm
permission to
identify it to
this group.
We will
discuss this
with them
during our
calls this
week.</p>
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CWG updated on
our progress.</p>
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regards,</p>
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