Alan, all:<div><br></div><div>Since operational communities want a workable solution, calls of 'hostage' are probably wide of the mark and to be honest don't help the conversation flow. They could indeed unkindly be described as a tactic designed to stifle debate. I can't see that being your intention here, but it could be the effect of your words.</div><div><br></div><div>We, IANA customers, need this system to work because our work in turn depends on it. The names community should be entitled to at least as good an outcome from the post-transition settlement as today's settlement offers, but that baseline is no reason not to pitch for greater clarity and certainty when we can.<div><br></div><div>I've had some private correspondence suggesting there are some real issues that mean my simple distinction & view isn't necessarily workable. There may be substantive SLA improvements compared with status quo that are needed. I don't know yet. If there are, I'm happy to change my mind and argue they should be done as part of the transition.</div><div><br></div><div>Given the CWG has spent quite some time on a wide range of issues that are of less importance than this, <span></span>I'm sure some time spent assuring operational quality won't be wasted.</div><div><br></div>Will try and write more later today.<br><div><br></div><div>Jordan <br><br>On Monday, 2 March 2015, Alan Greenberg <<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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This worries me.<br><br>
How do we define "needs"? It sounds perilously close to that
community holding the transition hostage for something that they want.
<br><br>
Alan<br><br>
At 01/03/2015 02:17 AM, Jordan Carter wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">I've thought of a b/c mid point
complication: <br><br>
It is: whether anything needs to be added to currently documented SLA
standards to allow the transition to be acceptable to any key customer
community.<br><br>
That's not a wholesale review but it's a little more than b), while
respecting the need for conservatism and efficiency....<br><br>
Jordan <br><br>
On Sunday, 1 March 2015, Seun Ojedeji
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<dd>+1 to Jordan's specific suggestion as well; considering that
everything works just fine right now is an indication that repeating the
current SLA would at least maintain status quo.<br><br>
</dd><dd>Will be good if that methodology is applied to other design teams as
much as possible. <br>
</dd><dd>The goal is to build a stronger ICANN and so long as we have a
multistakeholder means/process to do that, then our job is done.<br><br>
</dd><dd>Cheers!<br><br>
</dd><dd>sent from Google nexus 4<br>
</dd><dd>kindly excuse brevity and typos.<br>
</dd><dd>On 1 Mar 2015 01:46, "Chris Disspain"
<<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ceo@auda.org.au');" target="_blank">ceo@auda.org.au</a>> wrote:<br>
<dl>
<dd>You read me right, man ;-)<br><br>
<br><br>
</dd><dd>Cheers,<br><br>
<br>
</dd><dd>Chris<br><br>
</dd><dd>On 1 Mar 2015, at 11:35 , Jordan Carter
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<blockquote type="cite">
<dd>Hi all,<br><br>
</dd><dd>I think Chris's proposal makes sense too in logically
separating:<br><br>
</dd><dd>a) porting across existing service level obligations to the
post-transition environment;<br>
</dd><dd>b) creating the possibility of reviewing and changing them in future;
and <br>
</dd><dd>c) reviewing and updating the substantive content<br><br>
</dd><dd>If I read him right a) and b) should be done, but c) should not.
<br><br>
</dd><dd>That might trim the work this design team needs to do and make
finalising the names community proposal easier...<br><br>
</dd><dd>cheers<br>
</dd><dd>Jordan<br><br>
<br>
</dd><dd>On 1 March 2015 at 08:56, Avri Doria <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','avri@acm.org');" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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<dd>Hi,<br><br>
</dd><dd>Makes sense to me.<br><br>
</dd><dd>avri<br><br>
</dd><dd>On 28-Feb-15 18:43, Chris Disspain wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<dd>On that basis I wonder whether we would not be better served by
accepting the current status quo and building a mechanism for review and
negotiated changes to those service levels that could be employed
immediately after transition and on an ongoing basis. <br><br>
</dd><dd>Thoughts?</dd></blockquote></dd></dl></dd></blockquote><br><br>
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