<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Milton,<br>Your definition is fine so long as that is specific definition is added to the document (even as a footnote). The term is widely used to refer to ICANN generally, in NTIA, ICANN, and other documents, and I do not want confusion in the future, either by the CWG or others who may later read this.<br></div>Best regards,<br></div>John Poole<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Milton L Mueller <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu" target="_blank">mueller@syr.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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</span></b>John Poole<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Monday, March 9, 2015 4:30 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Martin Boyle<br>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Principles: revised draft 9 March<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I know this has been raised before but I am still unsure of your terminology--please define "IANA Functions Operator" which appears multiple times in various contexts
in the draft of Principles. Are you referring only to the IANA department within ICANN, or are you referring to ICANN? ICANN is referred to generally as the<a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=IANA+functions+operator" target="_blank"> "IANA Functions Operator" in NTIA
and ICANN and other documents</a>. The draft Principles seem to use the term in places as referring to ICANN and other places as referring only to the IANA department within ICANN--<i><span style="font-style:italic">e.g.</span></i>, in 5 iii: "... policy processes
should be independent of the IANA Functions Operator ..."<i><span style="font-style:italic"> i.e.,</span></i> policy processes should be independent of ICANN? Then who is making policy? Could you please clarify?<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-GB">I attach a revised draft of the principles document based on our calls on 3 & 5 March. I believe
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<font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-GB">5.ii & iii: These are mainly editorial and have been discussed without opposition on recent calls.
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<font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-GB">5.iv footnote: We had comments about the meaning of consensus in the footnote. I do not think that defining consensus is in the remit of this document, but is part of the considerations
of any entity that we establish. Hence I have added, “Conditions for consensus will need to be agreed appropriate for the group” to make this clear.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-GB"><a href="http://5.vi" target="_blank">5.vi</a>: As I said when I flagged this paragraph as of concern, I am inherently uneasy about a principle that is essentially optional and
where it might need to be re-written because of subsequent choices that we make. Either it is a principle or it isn’t. I believe that we need to understand the implications of what we are trying to say, so I am taking editor’s right to propose a new formulation
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<font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-GB">6.ii: Was agreed as not being a principle last week.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-GB">7.i: Editing agreed last week.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-GB">7.ii: We took this off-line. There has been some progress in discussions with Paul and Elise. I have made a drafting proposal to both for wording that tries to take into account
the concerns they have expressed. However, this paragraph needs to be held in abeyance until we have heard the views of both.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-GB">8.ii: In discussion with Erick, we have identified a compromise that moves away from saying anything about the policy authority and who it might or might not be. The proposed
wording (“In particular, the IANA functions operator should not impose any additional requirements on the registry unless they are directly and demonstrably linked to global security, stability and resilience of the DNS.”) turns this around to prevent the
IANA functions operator making unilateral decisions that impact the ccTLD except in (rare) cases of global security, stability and resilience.
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Given the delicate balance behind this text, I hope that others will find this formulation acceptable</span></b> and I thank Erick for his support in finding this compromise.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-GB">9.i: A minor point here that was discussed last week. The wording is not necessary to the text, but does make it clearer that i. is about separability now and iii. says we would
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<font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-GB">10: A reasonable edit proposed by Mary last week: no objections have been raised.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-GB">5.iv: I suggest we use the new wording unless there is significant opposition.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-GB">7.ii: This has to stay in abeyance subject to agreement by Elise (in discussion with the GAC)
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-GB">8.ii: Again I suggest we use the proposed wording unless there is significant opposition.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-GB">I look forward to comments on this approach, and please do flag early any difficulties you might
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