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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Martin Boyle
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<b>Sent:</b> 10 March 2015 17:56<br>
<b>To:</b> 'CW Lists'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [CWG-Stewardship] Principles: revised draft 9 March<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Indeed, Christopher, but the group is not going to be captured
<i>except</i> by members of the group or through capture of the processes selecting members. So I think “stakeholders” in this case is ok, but would be ok for us to substitute “members.” I’ll substitute unless anyone objects.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Incidentally, I’d see capture as a problem not only when one or more can control the process (which is unlikely), but also when the majority of members have
lost interest and are no longer active in the discussion – essentially leaving the field to others and following the lead of their “better informed” colleagues. It is a common malaise in committees when a small, but vociferous minority dominate the discussions.
It can also happen when the workload is too high for most people to devote the time, leaving the work to those better resourced and (through guilt trip or otherwise) simply acceding to their conclusions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">That said, I think the meaning is clear enough – it is up to the stakeholder communities to monitor how their members are performing and we can try to over-specify
things. Anyway, I’d also see a committee that takes away the collective responsibility of the multi-stakeholder community as a bad substitute for accountability to the global Internet community and any committee should expect to go out to the community to
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> CW Lists [<a href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu">mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> 10 March 2015 17:02<br>
<b>To:</b> Martin Boyle<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Principles: revised draft 9 March<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thankyou. I can appreciate the fastidious work involved in getting us thus far.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If you would allow me, I have a quibble with footnote 1 on page 2:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><<1.<span class="apple-tab-span"> </span>A group can be considered captured when one or more
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<p class="MsoNormal">There are doubtless going to be stakeholders with an interest in 'capture' who are not necessarily members of the 'group'.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best regards<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 09 Mar 2015, at 18:34, Martin Boyle <<a href="mailto:Martin.Boyle@nominet.org.uk">Martin.Boyle@nominet.org.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I attach a revised draft of the principles document based on our calls on 3 & 5 March. I believe we have a text that is pretty much in its final form, with only one outstanding
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">5.ii & iii: These are mainly editorial and have been discussed without opposition on recent calls. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">5.iv footnote: We had comments about the meaning of consensus in the footnote. I do not think that defining consensus is in the remit of this document, but is part of the
considerations of any entity that we establish. Hence I have added, “Conditions for consensus will need to be agreed appropriate for the group” to make this clear.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">5.vi: As I said when I flagged this paragraph as of concern, I am inherently uneasy about a principle that is essentially optional and where it might need to be re-written
because of subsequent choices that we make. Either it is a principle or it isn’t. I believe that we need to understand the implications of what we are trying to say, so I am taking editor’s right to propose a new formulation that should be independent of
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">6.ii: Was agreed as not being a principle last week.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">7.i: Editing agreed last week.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">7.ii: We took this off-line. There has been some progress in discussions with Paul and Elise. I have made a drafting proposal to both for wording that tries to take into
account the concerns they have expressed. However, this paragraph needs to be held in abeyance until we have heard the views of both.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">8.ii: In discussion with Erick, we have identified a compromise that moves away from saying anything about the policy authority and who it might or might not be. The proposed
wording (“In particular, the IANA functions operator should not impose any additional requirements on the registry unless they are directly and demonstrably linked to global security, stability and resilience of the DNS.”) turns this around to prevent the
IANA functions operator making unilateral decisions that impact the ccTLD except in (rare) cases of global security, stability and resilience. <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Given the delicate balance behind this text, I hope that others will
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">9.i: A minor point here that was discussed last week. The wording is not necessary to the text, but does make it clearer that i. is about separability now and iii. says
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">10: A reasonable edit proposed by Mary last week: no objections have been raised.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">5.iv: I suggest we use the new wording unless there is significant opposition.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">8.ii: Again I suggest we use the proposed wording unless there is significant opposition.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I look forward to comments on this approach, and please do flag early any difficulties you might have with any of the proposals.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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