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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>All,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>A couple of points to add / re-iterate for complete clarity:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The client committee remains as was i.e. the four members and has not had ICANN legal added to it<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The mailing list was set up to facilitate the work of the client committee – primarily communication between the CC & Sidley - but to do so in an open and transparent method. <br>Therefore “</span><a href="mailto:cwg-client@icann.org"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#3B73AF;background:white;text-decoration:none'>cwg-client@icann.org</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>” is visible to all. This is clearly extremely unusual in client / lawyer relationship but done so for (I hope) obvious reasons.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The working methods of the client committee are work in progress and linked to from the URL below:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocwgdtstwrdshp/Client+Committee">https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocwgdtstwrdshp/Client+Committee</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Please feel free to assist in refining these by proposing any updates to the working methods document.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Overall, the intention is that any discussions, meetings etc that take place between the client committee and Sidley and are visible and clear to all (including ICANN Legal / Kevin), primarily via “</span><a href="mailto:cwg-client@icann.org"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#3B73AF;background:white;text-decoration:none'>cwg-client@icann.org</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>”.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I understand the principle highlighted by Robin below but wonder if, given that the transparency of the “</span><a href="mailto:cwg-client@icann.org"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#3B73AF;background:white;text-decoration:none'>cwg-client@icann.org</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>” list, it is advantageous in some way to retain ICANN Legal’s permission to post to the list e.g. for items of clarification, additional information etc? We have no sense of ICANN Legal’s intention to post to the list and could simply check with them if they are interested to retain that right (which has been given to them at the set-up of the mailing list without significant debate or discussion). Personally, my inclination is to leave it as is for the moment but I haven’t had the opportunity to discuss it with Lise nor fully absorb the feedback / concerns from the CWG.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Jonathan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> James Gannon [mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net] <br><b>Sent:</b> 10 March 2015 00:40<br><b>To:</b> Robin Gross<br><b>Cc:</b> cwg-stewardship@icann.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Client Committee<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Agreed thats a fair point. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 10 Mar 2015, at 00:33, Robin Gross <<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">robin@ipjustice.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Well, the ICANN website says that 3 ICANN attorneys are also included on the CWG Client Committee mailing list (Samantha, John J, Kevin from Jones Day) and meetings. And ICANN's lawyers are also part of the conversations with the CWG Client Cmte, so it seems like they are participants of the Client Cmte, even if not labeled as such. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Since the phase of retaining the law firm and needing ICANN's help identifying conflicts is over, ICANN's lawyers should no longer be participants on the CWG Client Committee mailing list, meetings, discussions, etc., if the client committee can be said to be independent of the conflict.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Robin<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mar 9, 2015, at 5:06 PM, Gomes, Chuck wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Robin,</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>My understanding is that there are only 4 members of the client committee: Greg, Maartin, Lise and Jonathan. I have seen nothing that expanded the membership. The fact that others have been involved with the client committee in finalizing the arrangements with Sidley is in my understanding simply a result of the fact that ICANN is funding the effort and has to be a legal party to the agreement, which you probably understand better than me.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Chuck</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;border-width:initial;border-color:initial'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>[<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org">mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>]<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Robin Gross<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Monday, March 09, 2015 8:01 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info">jrobinson@afilias.info</a><br><b>Cc:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Client Committee</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Thanks, Jonathan. I'm concerned about inclusion of more ICANN representatives than community representatives on the CWG Client Committee:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocwgdtstwrdshp/Client+Committee">https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocwgdtstwrdshp/Client+Committee</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>When did CWG decide it would allow 5 ICANN representatives, including 3 of ICANN's attorneys on the CWG's Client Committee? Secretarial support work is fine, but actual participation is another thing entirely.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>We are supposed to obtain truly independent legal advice. So why are we re-introducing the conflict we are trying to avoid into the Client Committee?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>I suggest a CWG discussion about the appropriateness of ICANN's attorneys remaining on the Client Committee going forward. Now that outside counsel has been retained, any need for their involvement to help identify possible conflicts has been removed.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Robin<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><image001.png><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>On Mar 8, 2015, at 3:48 PM, Jonathan Robinson wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>All,</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>We are following up on the very good news that the Client Committee has successfully worked with ICANN staff to secure the retention of Sidley Austin. First, particular thanks are due to Greg Shatan for the extraordinary effort he has put in to assist the committee with all aspects of its work.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Since the CWG initially discussed and agreed the set-up and composition of the Client Committee, there has been some e-mail discussion regarding the functioning of the Committee. As you know, the composition comprises the two co-chairs and two legally qualified individuals (Greg Shatan<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><span style='background:white'>and<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span>Maarten Simon) which is a manageable size and contains appropriately qualified members. The Committee was set up to provide an effective interface between the CWG and the firm providing the CWG with appropriate advice on the relevant legal issues. However, prior to that, the first task of the Committee was to secure the services of a suitably qualified firm and that job is now complete. Therefore, now seems to be a good time to seek input on the working of the Client Committee.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>The Client Committee remains required in order to provide a coherent interface between the CWG & the retained law firm because it is not practical or cost-effective for a group the size of the CWG to continuously interact with the retained law firm at all times. However, in order for the CWG (and anyone relying on the work of the CWG) to have confidence in the work of the Client Committee, the CWG needs to fully trust that the Client Committee will accurately and effectively transmit and represent the issues and challenges facing the CWG. And moreover, that there will be opportunities for the CWG to interact directly with the law firm in order to enhance that confidence and clarify issues where relevant. As per the announcement of the selection of Sidley, representatives of the firm will be at the CWG meeting on Tuesday to both listen and interact.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Therefore, what (if any) changes to the working methods of the Client Committee should be made so that the CWG can be as confident as possible in the capabilities and work of the Client Committee as this crucial aspect of the CWG’s work commences in earnest?</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Thank-you,</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Jonathan & Lise</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>CWG-Stewardship mailing list<br><a href="mailto:CWG-Stewardship@icann.org">CWG-Stewardship@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship</a><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>CWG-Stewardship mailing list<br><a href="mailto:CWG-Stewardship@icann.org">CWG-Stewardship@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>