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<div>On 10 Mar 2015, at 00:33, Robin Gross <<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">robin@ipjustice.org</a>> wrote:</div>
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Well, the ICANN website says that 3 ICANN attorneys are also included on the CWG Client Committee mailing list (Samantha, John J, Kevin from Jones Day) and meetings. And ICANN's lawyers are also part of the conversations with the CWG Client Cmte, so it seems
like they are participants of the Client Cmte, even if not labeled as such.
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<div>Since the phase of retaining the law firm and needing ICANN's help identifying conflicts is over, ICANN's lawyers should no longer be participants on the CWG Client Committee mailing list, meetings, discussions, etc., if the client committee can be said
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<div>On Mar 9, 2015, at 5:06 PM, Gomes, Chuck wrote:</div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">My understanding is that there are only 4 members of the client committee: Greg, Maartin, Lise and Jonathan. I have seen nothing that expanded the membership. The
fact that others have been involved with the client committee in finalizing the arrangements with Sidley is in my understanding simply a result of the fact that ICANN is funding the effort and has to be a legal party to the agreement, which you probably understand
better than me.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org">mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On
Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Robin Gross<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, March 09, 2015 8:01 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Client Committee<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Thanks, Jonathan. I'm concerned about inclusion of more ICANN representatives than community representatives on the CWG Client Committee:<o:p></o:p></div>
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When did CWG decide it would allow 5 ICANN representatives, including 3 of ICANN's attorneys on the CWG's Client Committee? Secretarial support work is fine, but actual participation is another thing entirely.<o:p></o:p></div>
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We are supposed to obtain truly independent legal advice. So why are we re-introducing the conflict we are trying to avoid into the Client Committee?<o:p></o:p></div>
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I suggest a CWG discussion about the appropriateness of ICANN's attorneys remaining on the Client Committee going forward. Now that outside counsel has been retained, any need for their involvement to help identify possible conflicts has been removed.<o:p></o:p></div>
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On Mar 8, 2015, at 3:48 PM, Jonathan Robinson wrote:<o:p></o:p></div>
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<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">We are following up on the very good news that the Client Committee has successfully worked with ICANN staff to secure the retention of Sidley Austin. First, particular thanks are
due to Greg Shatan for the extraordinary effort he has put in to assist the committee with all aspects of its work.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Since the CWG initially discussed and agreed the set-up and composition of the Client Committee, there has been some e-mail discussion regarding the functioning of the Committee.
As you know, the composition comprises the two co-chairs and two legally qualified individuals (Greg Shatan<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">and<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Maarten
Simon) which is a manageable size and contains appropriately qualified members. The Committee was set up to provide an effective interface between the CWG and the firm providing the CWG with appropriate advice on the relevant legal issues. However, prior to
that, the first task of the Committee was to secure the services of a suitably qualified firm and that job is now complete. Therefore, now seems to be a good time to seek input on the working of the Client Committee.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">The Client Committee remains required in order to provide a coherent interface between the CWG & the retained law firm because it is not practical or cost-effective for a group the
size of the CWG to continuously interact with the retained law firm at all times. However, in order for the CWG (and anyone relying on the work of the CWG) to have confidence in the work of the Client Committee, the CWG needs to fully trust that the Client
Committee will accurately and effectively transmit and represent the issues and challenges facing the CWG. And moreover, that there will be opportunities for the CWG to interact directly with the law firm in order to enhance that confidence and clarify issues
where relevant. As per the announcement of the selection of Sidley, representatives of the firm will be at the CWG meeting on Tuesday to both listen and interact.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Client Committee as this crucial aspect of the CWG’s work commences in earnest?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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