<div dir="ltr"><span class="im"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><font face="Times New Roman, serif"><span style="font-size:16px">> </span></font><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">With all due respect please don’t claim speak for the group Kieran, many of us do understand</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">> the need to have ICANN Staff involved in the process and see no issue with it.</span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">So I wasn't speaking for the group, I was reflecting the messages on this list. </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">The only people that have spoken up in favor of ICANN staff being on the closed committee past the legal team selection (in whatever capacity) have been ICANN staff or the closed committee members.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Every other post to this list on this issue has said that they don't think it is appropriate. Until yours just now.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Kieren</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><br></span></p></span></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 1:44 PM, James Gannon <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net" target="_blank">james@cyberinvasion.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">>I'm at a loss to understand why either ICANN staff or the closed committee members think this is appropriate. It's clear that no one outside those two groups does.<u></u><u></u></p>
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</span><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">With all due respect please don’t claim speak for the group Kieran, many of us do understand the need to have ICANN Staff involved in the process and see no
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kieren McCarthy<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 13, 2015 8:28 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> David Conrad<span class=""><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Client Committee<u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">> <span style="font-size:9.5pt">Is ICANN staff a stakeholder in the transition or not?</span><u></u><u></u></p><div><div class="h5">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">Although in this case - the process for getting independent legal advice - I would question whether it was appropriate for ICANN staff to be involved at all.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">But that's not even where we are.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">* As I understand it, Jonathan is proposing/has implemented a closed committee to act as the intermediary between the transition group and the independent lawyers. (Something that appears to have been done
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">* That closed committee will have its own mailing list that people have to actively ask to be subscribed to (something that is out of step with the rest of the transition processes). </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">* Even when subscribed, those people will not have posting rights.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">* However, ICANN's lawyers - both internal and external - as well as ICANN staff appear to already be on this list and have posting rights to it. (At least I think that is the case; it's not clear, despite
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">* It's also appears to be the case that the committee intends to have closed meetings. And to allow ICANN's lawyers and/or staff to be a part of those meetings. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">In other words, in the one area where ICANN's staff should be voluntarily excusing themselves to avoid a fairly obvious conflict of interest, they appear instead to actually have an elevated position and direct
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm at a loss to understand why either ICANN staff or the closed committee members think this is appropriate. It's clear that no one outside those two groups does.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 12:34 PM, David Conrad <<a href="mailto:david.conrad@icann.org" target="_blank">david.conrad@icann.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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