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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I agree with Chuck’s thoughts, particularly the distinction about multi-stakeholder.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Gomes, Chuck<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 23 March 2015 11:55 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Greg Shatan; Alan Greenberg; cwg-stewardship@icann.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Tijani BEN JEMAA<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] [CCWG-ACCT] Fwd: RySG IANA Statement<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’d like to share a few
<b>personal</b> thoughts on this thread, thoughts that I have not vetted with my registry colleagues.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Correct me if I am wrong, but I don’t think that NTIA said that the transition solution itself has to be multi-stakeholder but rather that the
solution should be developed by multi-stakeholder processes. In other words, I don’t think that NTIA said there has to be a multi-stakeholder oversight body. The result may be the same but I think there is a distinction that is worth noting if I am correct
on that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Also, I want to emphasize some key points in the RySG statement:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Note: “</span><b><i><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#00000A">RECOMMENDATION 1.b: Ensure that the compositions of any new structures are
fit-for-purpose by requiring that membership is based upon relevant expertise, experience, and skills.</span></i></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">” As I understand it, the RySG statement doesn’t
rule out the participation of indirect customers in the CSC. Rather it suggests that any such participation should be filled with people who have appropriate expertise, experience and skills. Is that an unreasonable expectation?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Note: “</span><b><i><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#00000A">RECOMMENDATION 1.c: Supplement leaner structures with robust provisions
for openness and transparency to allow the community to monitor the performance of IANA, as well as of new oversight bodies.</span></i></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The RySG statement clearly supports broader community involvement through ‘</span><b><i><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#00000A">robust
provisions for openness and transparency</span></i></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">’ . . . “</span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#00000A">to enable broader multi-stakeholder participation
in oversight of the IANA Naming Functions</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">”.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">More specifically, the RySG statement suggests possible procedures for doing this:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US">“Continuing to conduct regularly scheduled independent audits of the performance of the IANA Functions Operator;
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<span lang="EN-US">Making meetings of the CSC open, as appropriate;<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;line-height:115%;mso-list:l0 level3 lfo2">
<span lang="EN-US" style="color:#00000A">Publishing transcripts and recordings of CSC meetings;</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#00000A;line-height:115%;mso-list:l0 level3 lfo2">
<span lang="EN-US">Ensuring that all reporting by the IANA functions operator remains timely and transparent so that any interested party could undertake unofficial monitoring and flag issues;<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#00000A;line-height:115%;mso-list:l0 level3 lfo2">
<span lang="EN-US">Providing public comment periods for any material changes recommended by the CSC;
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<span lang="EN-US">Soliciting community participation in any regular review of the IANA function facilitated by the CSC;</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">”</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">And very importantly the statement says: “</span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#00000A">Ensuring that a decision to move the IANA functions
was supported by the multi-stakeholder community.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">So, as I understand it, the RySG statement does not recommend that the CSC be tasked with making major decisions beyond its operational
oversight role.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Finally, it seems to me that the above suggestions for openness and transparency in the RySG statement would provide the multi-stakeholder community
more involvement in the oversight role than currently exists with NTIA.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I think the above context is important to keep in mind when discussing the composition of the CSC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Chuck<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org">mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Greg Shatan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 23, 2015 12:11 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Alan Greenberg; <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Tijani BEN JEMAA<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] [CCWG-ACCT] Fwd: RySG IANA Statement<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">[ON CWG-STEWARDSHIP MAILING LIST]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">All:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">This conversation "jumped the tracks" from the CWG-Stewardship mailing list to the CCWG-Accountability mailing list (thanks, Alan, for pointing that out. I am now bring it back
to CWG-Stewardship with this post. If future respondents could respond from here on in and not on the CCWG-Accountability thread, I think that would be a good thing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">I've taken the liberty of cc'ing those who have already participated in this thread....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Greg Shatan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:46 AM, Alan Greenberg <<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" target="_blank">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US">At 23/03/2015 02:44 AM, Jordan Carter wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hi all,<br>
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On 23 March 2015 at 05:25, Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a> > wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US">I recognize that the registries have a unique and significant interest in the continuing operational excellence of the IANA Functions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US">However, I believe there needs to be a voice and a role for the rest of the multistakeholder community in the CSC. I don't think this is what the NTIA was looking for when it sought to "transition key Internet domain name functions to the
global multistakeholder community." A customer only CSC with no other organized oversight body sounds like a registries paradise, but not a multistakeholder reality.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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I think the difference is in the "in the CSC" bit. If there is a customer committee for the customers, that body isn't the multistakeholder oversight body. It can't function as such.<br>
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If the CWG ends up trying to squeeze everything (customer representation, multistakeholder oversight, etc) into one body, it is not going to be able to create a coherent proposal - in my opinion.<br>
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cheers<br>
Jordan <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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I am not sure why this discussion is taking place on the Accountability mailing list. Regardles, I note that including a MS component for transparency and the ability to raise red flags does not change the overall nature of the body.<span style="color:#888888"><br>
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<span class="hoenzb">Alan</span></span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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