<p dir="ltr">FWIW, I like to add a personal +1 to Chuck's comment. I think it's a fine explanation of the key points in the document and of the task at hand.<br>
I will also like to add that the CSC composition and role was quite clear and received relatively strong level of support among this WG; most agreed that transparency in the activities of CSC and it's role would diminish the need for stakeholder representation. The only aspect that was considered then was whether to have a liaison from MRT in CSC and I understand that was just towards ensuring transparency. I think the need for such liaison could be mute If indeed high level of transparency can be ensured through the mandate of CSC; I understand that CSC is purely technical with major administrative accountability decision left to the broader community (which would fall more on CCWG shoulders)</p>
<p dir="ltr">Regards</p>
<p dir="ltr">sent from Google nexus 4<br>
kindly excuse brevity and typos.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 23 Mar 2015 19:56, "Gomes, Chuck" <<a href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com">cgomes@verisign.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I’d like to share a few
<b>personal</b> thoughts on this thread, thoughts that I have not vetted with my registry colleagues.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Correct me if I am wrong, but I don’t think that NTIA said that the transition solution itself has to be multi-stakeholder but rather that the solution should
be developed by multi-stakeholder processes. In other words, I don’t think that NTIA said there has to be a multi-stakeholder oversight body. The result may be the same but I think there is a distinction that is worth noting if I am correct on that.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Also, I want to emphasize some key points in the RySG statement:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1f497d"><span>·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Note: “</span><b><i><span style="color:#00000a">RECOMMENDATION 1.b: Ensure that the compositions of any new structures are fit-for-purpose by requiring
that membership is based upon relevant expertise, experience, and skills.</span></i></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">” As I understand it, the RySG statement doesn’t rule out the participation of indirect
customers in the CSC. Rather it suggests that any such participation should be filled with people who have appropriate expertise, experience and skills. Is that an unreasonable expectation?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1f497d"><span>·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Note: “</span><b><i><span style="color:#00000a">RECOMMENDATION 1.c: Supplement leaner structures with robust provisions for openness and transparency
to allow the community to monitor the performance of IANA, as well as of new oversight bodies.</span></i></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">”<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The RySG statement clearly supports broader community involvement through ‘</span><b><i><span style="color:#00000a">robust provisions for openness
and transparency</span></i></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">’ . . . “</span><span style="color:#00000a">to enable broader multi-stakeholder participation in oversight of the IANA Naming Functions</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">”.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1f497d"><span>o<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">More specifically, the RySG statement suggests possible procedures for doing this:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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“Continuing to conduct regularly scheduled independent audits of the performance of the IANA Functions Operator;
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Making meetings of the CSC open, as appropriate;<u></u><u></u></li><li style="color:black;line-height:115%">
<span style="color:#00000a">Publishing transcripts and recordings of CSC meetings;</span><u></u><u></u></li><li style="color:#00000a;line-height:115%">
Ensuring that all reporting by the IANA functions operator remains timely and transparent so that any interested party could undertake unofficial monitoring and flag issues;<u></u><u></u></li><li style="color:#00000a;line-height:115%">
Providing public comment periods for any material changes recommended by the CSC;
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Soliciting community participation in any regular review of the IANA function facilitated by the CSC;<span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">”</span><u></u><u></u></li></ul>
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<u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1f497d"><span>o<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">And very importantly the statement says: “</span><span style="color:#00000a">Ensuring that a decision to move the IANA functions was supported by
the multi-stakeholder community.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">”<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">So, as I understand it, the RySG statement does not recommend that the CSC be tasked with making major decisions beyond its operational oversight
role.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Finally, it seems to me that the above suggestions for openness and transparency in the RySG statement would provide the multi-stakeholder community more involvement
in the oversight role than currently exists with NTIA.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I think the above context is important to keep in mind when discussing the composition of the CSC.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Chuck<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Greg Shatan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 23, 2015 12:11 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Alan Greenberg; <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Tijani BEN JEMAA<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] [CCWG-ACCT] Fwd: RySG IANA Statement<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">This conversation "jumped the tracks" from the CWG-Stewardship mailing list to the CCWG-Accountability mailing list (thanks, Alan, for pointing that out. I am now bring it back to CWG-Stewardship
with this post. If future respondents could respond from here on in and not on the CCWG-Accountability thread, I think that would be a good thing.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:46 AM, Alan Greenberg <<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" target="_blank">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">At 23/03/2015 02:44 AM, Jordan Carter wrote:<br>
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On 23 March 2015 at 05:25, Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a> > wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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I recognize that the registries have a unique and significant interest in the continuing operational excellence of the IANA Functions.<u></u><u></u></p>
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However, I believe there needs to be a voice and a role for the rest of the multistakeholder community in the CSC. I don't think this is what the NTIA was looking for when it sought to "transition key Internet domain name functions to the global multistakeholder
community." A customer only CSC with no other organized oversight body sounds like a registries paradise, but not a multistakeholder reality.<br>
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I think the difference is in the "in the CSC" bit. If there is a customer committee for the customers, that body isn't the multistakeholder oversight body. It can't function as such.<br>
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If the CWG ends up trying to squeeze everything (customer representation, multistakeholder oversight, etc) into one body, it is not going to be able to create a coherent proposal - in my opinion.<br>
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cheers<br>
Jordan <u></u><u></u></p>
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I am not sure why this discussion is taking place on the Accountability mailing list. Regardles, I note that including a MS component for transparency and the ability to raise red flags does not change the overall nature of the body.<span style="color:#888888"><br>
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<span>Alan</span></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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