<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><div>Forwarding a bounced message on behalf of Christopher Wilkinson. </div><div><br></div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div style="font-family:Calibri; font-size:11pt; text-align:left; color:black; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt"><span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span> CW Lists <<a href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu">lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Wednesday, April 8, 2015 at 2:13 PM<br><span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> Client Committee <<a href="mailto:cwg-client@icann.org">cwg-client@icann.org</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Fwd: CWG IANA Meeting #34 | 17:00 UTC | 7 April<br></div><div><br></div><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">FYI - CW<br><div><br><div>Begin forwarded message:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>From: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">CW Lists <<a href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu">lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>Subject: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;"><b>Re: CWG IANA Meeting #34 | 17:00 UTC | 7 April</b><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>Date: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">7 Apr 2015 18:26:51 GMT+02:00<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>To: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">Brenda Brewer <<a href="mailto:brenda.brewer@icann.org">brenda.brewer@icann.org</a>></span></div></blockquote><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; ">Good afternoon:</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; ">With a view to thisevening's CWG call may I offer a few comments:</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; ">1.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><b>Regarding complexity:</b><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>In the Principles, we have:</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 54px; text-indent: -18px; font-size: 12px; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><i>3.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span></i><span style="text-decoration: underline"><i>Fit for purpose</i></span><i>: Any new IANA governance mechanisms should not be excessively burdensome and should be fit for purpose. </i></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; ">However, meanwhile, we have 60+ pages of the names Transition Plan (with more to come from the DTs), 30+ pages of advice and comments from Sidley and no information, yet, as to how these Names proposals will be integrated with the IETF and RIR proposals.</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; ">I fear that we are well on the way to a 'burdensome' outcome.</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; ">2.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><b>Regarding Accountability:</b><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>The Client group has been discussing with Sidley the relation between ICANN accountability and IANA accountability. It is argued that IANA accountability has to be established by CWG independently of and in addition to ICANN accountability in the CCWG.</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; ">Be that is it may, and whatever were the merits of the case, today that is certainly not a matter for the Client group and Sidley. All stakeholders have designated their participants in ICG, CCWG, CWG, by and large avoiding duplication and respecting the specificity of each group, including their own accountability and reporting back.</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; ">At this late stage in proceedings, any basic change in those arrangements is distinctly not on. That would involve shifting the whole architecture of the transition process, albeit already heavy enough.</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; ">3.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><b>Regarding Separability</b>:<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>It has recently been stated that legal separation of IANA from ICANN is a requirement. I do not agree. It is at most a last resort fail-safe should all normal recourse fail.</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; ">From my point of view and experience, the overwhelming case against legal separation of IANA is that it would create a very small technical entity with substantial power over the interoperability of the global Internet. As such it could easily become a target for capture or acquisition. Protecting against that outcome would require the re-constitution of the oversight that has been so laboriously - and to date imperfectly - created in ICANN.</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; ">In that context, I continue to have reservations about the term 'customer' of IANA. They are Users of IANA. 'Customers' implies payment for services rendered. That would cross a Red Line for many of us.</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; "><b>4.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Regarding competition:</b><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>It has been suggested that the CSC would be uni-stakeholder, i.e. Registries only. I must say that had not occurred to me. It is not a very good idea and is an invitation to conflict of interests: </div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; "><br></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; ">(a) the Registry business is highly concentrated: do you include or exclude the largest Registries in the world? (b) we are told that there will soon be hundreds of gTLD Registries; most of them very small. All of them with an existential interest in IANA and the Root Zone. How will they be represented in the CSC? </div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; "><br></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; ">(b) thanks to the (flawed) 'vertical integration' policy, it is now possible for a significant number of Registries to be owned by a single Registrar or Company. What is to prevent CSC being dominated by a small group of large Registrars and a few Internet companies?</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; ">All oversight and decision making bodies must have a balanced multi-stakeholder composition and powers. Granted that is asking much from most stakeholders, which is why it is critically important to create as few new entities as possible.</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; min-height: 14px; ">Regards</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; min-height: 14px; ">CW</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div><div>On 03 Apr 2015, at 00:59, Brenda Brewer <<a href="mailto:brenda.brewer@icann.org">brenda.brewer@icann.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Exchange Server"><!-- converted from rtf --><style><!-- .EmailQuote { margin-left: 1pt; padding-left: 4pt; border-left: #800000 2px solid; } --></style><div><font face="Calibri" size="4"><span style="font-size:14pt;"></span></font></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></span></body></html>