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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/14/2015 11:32 AM, Gomes, Chuck
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Seun that I suggested that we ask Sidley to provide ‘</span>a
high level response<span
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that was intentional on my part because I also think it is
important to use Sidley’s time as effectively as possible.
And I also have concerns about working in a serial manner
because I don’t think we have the time for that. Besides,
if there are ideas in this new model that can be used in
what we are currently considering, it would be better to
identify them now rather than later.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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Seun Ojedeji [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com">mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 14, 2015 5:20 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Gomes, Chuck<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Andrew Sullivan; Greg Shatan; Client;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] The Reverse Hybrid
Model<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 9:54 AM,
Gomes, Chuck <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p class="MsoNormal">Your points Andrew seem useful to me
as well as the points made by others regarding this
model. Like several have said, I am not in favor of
reopening closed issues but I do wonder if there are
some elements of the this new model that could be used
to improve our solution.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">+1 and will be good if that ponder
can come after we have a clear direction on the 2
proposals we currently have under review<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> But before the CWG spends any
more time on this model, I would at least like to get
a high level response from Sidley as to whether they
think there may be some ideas in the model that could
be useful.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I am
of a personal opinion that we don't load-up/increase
the working hours of Sidley with this for now....we
have set some directions for them already and they are
working on it. Perhaps when we have exhausted the 2
options we currently have on the table and could not
come to a single option then we can task Sidley.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regards<o:p></o:p></p>
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<span class="hoenzb">Chuck</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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On Behalf Of Andrew Sullivan<br>
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 4:17 AM<br>
To: Greg Shatan<br>
Cc: Client; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] The Reverse Hybrid
Model<br>
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Hi Greg,<br>
<br>
Thanks for taking the time to lay out this model
carefully. I think it's good to expose it, but I
think the exposure makes it clear it isn't worth
pursuing in greater depth. More below.<br>
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On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 01:41:41AM -0400, Greg
Shatan wrote:<br>
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> In this model, ICANN would still be the
source of the right to perform<br>
> the IANA Functions, as in the current
internal model. However, ICANN<br>
> would enter into an irrevocable agreement
with the Affiliate for the<br>
> IANA Functions.<br>
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The difficulty I see with the proposal lies in
those two statements.<br>
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My view is that ICANN is not the "source of the
right" to perform the functions. The source of
the right to perform the protocol parameters
function is the policy community for those
parameters (i.e. the IETF), and the source of the
right to perform the number resources function is
the policy community for those parameters (i.e.
the RIRs).<br>
<br>
The basic problem with this model (and this
interpretation of your<br>
description) is that it requires a fundamental
assumption that the functions are welded together,
and that there is a single body responsible for
"stewardship" of them. This is something that the
other communities simply don't believe.<br>
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I therefore don't think there would be value in
further elaboration of study of this model,
because anything that proposes a single source of
stewardship for all the functions won't fly.<br>
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If, on the other hand, the model is supposed to be
one in which the affiliate gets the right to
contract for an entity to act as the naming
functions operator only, then it isn't clear to me
what work this wheel is supposed to do. In order
for it to be an effective steward of only those
functions, it basically needs somehow to perform
the job of the community for names functions. But
we already have a policy body for names functions,
however imperfect: ICANN, or perhaps some subset
of it. So, to perform this stewardship function
for names, the affiliate would have to instantiate
most (or all) of the accountability measures that
ICANN needs anyway. This seems like an excellent
way to re-open a number of prior decisions.
Moreover, it strikes me that it's quite likely to
deliver subtle differences with the existing
mechanisms, which would offer a tempting
opportunity to game the system, a potential for
procedural deadlock, or both.<br>
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Therefore, no matter which way I interpret this
model, it seems to me that it can't possibly yield
enough benefit to be worth exploring in greater
detail.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
<br>
A<br>
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Andrew Sullivan<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><i><span
style="font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:#006600">Seun
Ojedeji,<br>
Federal University Oye-Ekiti<br>
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