<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">Hi Martin,<br><br>On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Martin Boyle <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Martin.Boyle@nominet.org.uk" target="_blank">Martin.Boyle@nominet.org.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I think that Greg is right, that we were not mandated in the CWG to look at numbers or protocol parameters. While that might sit uneasily, I’m not sure I really
know about the flow of funding or the accountability/stewardship role in the light of Milton’s assertion.</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I am not sure Greg is implying what you stated above. The CWG proposal is indeed moving IANA to PTI which includes everything related to the other 2 communities (perhaps except existing MOUs which ofcourse is not yet clear)<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-GB"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Specifically asking CRISP & IANAPLAN for views as to where they would see their relationship lying (given the ring-fencing of the IANA functions operator into
a subsidiary in ICANN) would seem to me to be appropriate. They could, after all, contract/sign an MoU with either ICANN or ICANN’s affiliate.</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This was exactly what i had earlier suggested; If our proposal is going to affect the other communities in the manner we are proposing, i think it saves us a lot of time by flagging the respective communities to know their thoughts before our public comment. Instead of submitting and then having ICG come back to us....and as a matter of fact, it think it will be an act of "courtesy" if that is done. (again i know CRISP formerly indicated that they are open to receive such interaction, i expect same with IETF as well)<br><br></div><div>Regards<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-GB"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Greg Shatan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 21 April 2015 17:14<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] For your review - version V3.3<u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
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