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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">All<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">+ 1 Jorge, - and I very much agree with the latest statement from Alan, and also Avris statement on keeping in mind that
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">with CSC being just registries and IGOs (the .int registrants), and the PRT being periodic, it does seem like we are well on our way toward a nearly Multistakeholder free solution. We all agree that PTI board
must be efficient, light wait and with skilled people, but I suggest that the CWG keep the PTI board representation open before the public hearing, - the function is not well enough defined at this stage to agree on exact representation and numbers.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Elise</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Fra:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org]
<b>På vegne av</b> Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<br>
<b>Sendt:</b> 21. april 2015 10:22<br>
<b>Til:</b> alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca; gregshatanipc@gmail.com<br>
<b>Kopi:</b> cwg-stewardship@icann.org<br>
<b>Emne:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] The PTI board<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">+1 – this was already discussed in a CWG call. Function determines form…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Von:</span></b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org">mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>Im Auftrag von </b>Alan Greenberg<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 21. April 2015 06:22<br>
<b>An:</b> Greg Shatan<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] The PTI board<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="DE-CH">Greg, I was supporting Jonathan's statement that it would make more sense to discuss who should be on the Board once we know what that Board will be doing.<br>
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I can live with it doing nothing and all of the decisions coming from the "parent" (thus my use of "puppet" as in someone pulling the strings). I can live with a fully responsible board which would require a different set of players.<br>
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One of the motivations for having a separate company is to have some independence from ICANN. If the ICANN Board makes all of the decisions, then the new accountability mechanisms will give the community the control it needs, but I am not sure why we are bothering
with this new structure or how it can be perceived as providing any buffer from ICANN. If the ICANN Board does NOT make the decisions, then this Board must, and thus a need for the MS community to be able to have some level of control.<br>
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We need to decide WHAT we are doing before HOW.<br>
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Alan<br>
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At 20/04/2015 10:08 PM, Greg Shatan wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH">Alan,<br>
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First, I agree that the PTI board has responsibility for PTI, as described in the excerpt I pasted in earlier. Generically, "insider" boards are also answerable to the parent company (sole shareholder) and to their board. It is typically a more constrained
set of responsibilities, and much less independent than the board of an independent company. Even within those parameters, there are more or less active boards. I doubt that I would describe any as a complete "puppet" -- was that someone else's positive
description or just your somewhat negative one?<br>
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Greg <br>
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On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Alan Greenberg <<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a> > wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="DE-CH">I agree that some clarity here would be useful.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="DE-CH">The Board *IS* responsible for the PTI. Perhaps some envision it as a puppet to some other entity (including budget decisions as well as overseeing senior IANA staff). If that is the case, please specify who.<span style="color:#888888"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<span lang="DE-CH" style="color:#888888">Alan</span><span lang="DE-CH"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="DE-CH">At 20/04/2015 12:45 PM, Jonathan Robinson wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="DE-CH">All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="DE-CH">In thinking about the composition of the board, we need to be clear about<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="DE-CH">the purpose or function of the board and what (if any) tasks it needs to<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="DE-CH">undertake and or decisions it needs to make.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="DE-CH">It is clear to me that it has (at minimum) a legal function but that<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="DE-CH">function may well be filled by a minimum board that we previously referred<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="DE-CH">to as an internal or insider board.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="DE-CH">Are we clear that the PTI board has a function beyond that minimum and that<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="DE-CH">the functions we may require it to perform are not already to be performed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="DE-CH">elsewhere?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="DE-CH">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="DE-CH">Jonathan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="DE-CH">-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="DE-CH">From: Andrew Sullivan [<a href="mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com"> mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com</a>]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="DE-CH">Sent: 20 April 2015 17:36<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="DE-CH">To: <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">
cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="DE-CH">Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] The PTI board<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="DE-CH">On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 12:17:53PM -0400, Avri Doria wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="DE-CH">> Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="DE-CH">><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="DE-CH">> I do not think we should avoid putting some multistakeholder character<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="DE-CH">> in the PTI.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="DE-CH">It seems to me that the proposal _is_ multi-stakeholder. There are stakes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="DE-CH">-- names, numbers, protocol parameters -- and they're represented.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="DE-CH">> IETF laision (are we sure they would agree to this extra level of<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="DE-CH">> participation?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="DE-CH">> We should be cautious assigning roles &<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="DE-CH">> responsibilities to them<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="DE-CH">I agree with this worry and thank you for raising it. One thing that's<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="DE-CH">attractive about Milton's proposal, however, is that it simply adds a<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="DE-CH">responsibility to a role alredy defined, so we don't have to find more<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="DE-CH">volunteers and so on (though we do need to add this to the list of things<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="DE-CH">the liaison would have to do). It certainly needs to be confirmed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="DE-CH">> a GAC rep (government particpation)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="DE-CH">> an ALAC (user particpatiion)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="DE-CH">Why? IANA is a clerical job for a specific purpose. What ought the GAC or<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="DE-CH">the ALAC have to say about it? By constraining the board to this narrow<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="DE-CH">scope of those actually directly affected, we have the hope of constraining<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="DE-CH">PTI from becoming the leverage with which to force other issues (much as has<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="DE-CH">been done in this process, where the entirely clerical IANA job is getting<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="DE-CH">used as the lever to cause ICANN governance changes).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="DE-CH">> an ICANN Board rep<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="DE-CH">Since the other appointees are already ICANN board members, why is an<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="DE-CH">additional one needed?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="DE-CH">> If all accepted, that would bring it to 9.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="DE-CH">> Still a small number.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="DE-CH">In my experience, a team of five can make a decision that a group of 9<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="DE-CH">cannot.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="DE-CH">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="DE-CH">A<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="DE-CH">Andrew Sullivan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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