<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"><base href="x-msg://9532/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi,<div><br></div><div>DT-F also discussed this and the resulting recommendation appears in Annex N, p. 74, of version 3.3. We suggested that the important thing for now was less to specify anything in detail than to make sure we provide for future paths to getting the necessary work done in the absence of NTIA. I believe the resources and expertise will be available, but we need to make sure they can be mobilized as needed.</div><div><br></div><div>Personally I think the DT-C view as described here makes sense. I don't have an opinion yet on the specific alternatives proposed, although I do think it's important not to over-specify, since by definition we're talking about mechanisms for solving problems we don't have yet.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>best,</div><div>Suzanne</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Apr 22, 2015, at 4:14 AM, Martin Boyle <<a href="mailto:Martin.Boyle@nominet.org.uk">Martin.Boyle@nominet.org.uk</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-GB" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Greg,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">A number of us in DT-C were concerned about the CSC having a role in this and we ended with two alternative wordings:<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 54pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -18pt; "><i><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Cambria, serif; "><span>1.<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span></i><i><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Cambria, serif; ">“In the event a change in IANA services is anticipated, the CSC is authorised to establish an ad hoc committee of technical and other experts to oversee the changes, in accordance with a defined process.”</span></i><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Cambria, serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>or<i><o:p></o:p></i></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 54pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -18pt; "><i><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Cambria, serif; "><span>2.<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span></i><i><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Cambria, serif; ">“The CSC, in consultation with registry operators, is authorised to discuss with the IANA ways to enhance the provision of IANA’s operational services to meet changing technological environments; as a means to address performance issues; or other unforeseen circumstances. In the event it is agreed that a material change in IANA functions services or operations would be beneficial, the CSC reserves the right to call for a community consultation and independent validation, to be convened by IANA, on the proposed change. Any recommended change must be approved by the ccNSO and RySG.”<o:p></o:p></span></i></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">As you will see, neither gives sole responsibility to the CSC. Both appear in annex G, both look to a wider engagement in discussions.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">As others, I am not convinced that final decisions should be taken by the PTI, unless it was simply to adopt recommendations approved by the directly impacted stakeholders and that had received good buy-in during the consultation process. Actual accountability needs to be somewhere and that would appear to me to be through the parent of the PTI – ie via the ICANN Board – given the model we are working on. There are a number of groups whose agreement (as directly impacted) would be vital: IETF, IAB, ccNSO, RySG, and I’m sure many others, not just the two referenced!<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">So CSC could initiate a process, PTI needs to be happy that due process has been followed and the decision has got good buy-in, but accountability – and therefore final decision – would need to be at the ICANN Board level and subject to the various accountability processes over them (including review).<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Martin<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:cwg-<a href="mailto:stewardship-bounces@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Greg Shatan<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>22 April 2015 07:16<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>David Conrad<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Avri Doria;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [CWG-Stewardship] For your review - version V3.3<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">This issue (who makes decisions about or approves "architectural changes to the root system" in the absence of the NTIA) bears further review. The CSC doesn't seem like the right place at all. The PTI Board makes some sense, but only if we are not keeping it minimalist. Could the NTIA role simply disappear (as we propose to happen with the authorization/validation function)?<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; "> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">Greg<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 1:14 AM, David Conrad <<a href="mailto:david.conrad@icann.org" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">david.conrad@icann.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Avri,<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Thanks for the clarification.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 4.5pt; border-left-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 4pt; margin-left: 3.75pt; margin-right: 0cm; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">And I am not lumping them in with any policy decisions currently being made. In fact that is the crux of my question: where will these decisions be made? The PTI Board? If so we should make sure it is reflected in the list.<o:p></o:p></span></div></blockquote><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">This is one of the things I've been a bit wound up about. I've called it "architectural changes to the root system".<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Currently,my view is that that decision is made by NTIA, using processes known only to them (but which, from empirical evidence would appear to include consultation with technical experts at NIST and elsewhere). I had thought a logical place would be the CSC via the creation of an ad hoc, technically knowledgable committee, but I gather my assumptions of the role of the CSC were in error. Personally, I don't care too much who makes the decision, just that the decision is made by folks who understand the issues and the process by which the decision is made is open, transparent, accountable, and well documented (and makes sense, of course).<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">-drc<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><br>_______________________________________________<br>CWG-Stewardship mailing list<br><a href="mailto:CWG-Stewardship@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">CWG-Stewardship@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>CWG-Stewardship mailing list<br><a href="mailto:CWG-Stewardship@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">CWG-Stewardship@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship</a><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>