<p dir="ltr">Forwarding my response to Milton on this subject matter (I like to note it's a personal view)</p>
<p dir="ltr">Cheers!<br>
sent from Google nexus 4<br>
kindly excuse brevity and typos.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: "Seun Ojedeji" <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>><br>Date: 30 Apr 2015 18:23<br>Subject: RE: [NCSG-Discuss] Ominous update on the IANA transition<br>To: "Milton L Mueller" <<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu">mueller@syr.edu</a>><br>Cc: "<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>" <<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@listserv.syr.edu">NCSG-DISCUSS@listserv.syr.edu</a>><br><br type="attribution"><p dir="ltr">Hi Prof,</p>
<p dir="ltr">I read the mail before responding as well(as you know I am also on that list) and you are right that there is a concern which I also agree with. However, it's our interpretation of the concern that I think we disagree on.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Below is the exact wording of the IAB chair:</p>
<p dir="ltr">" ICANN has informed<br>
us that they are unable to agree to that text right now. ICANN told<br>
us that, in their opinion, agreeing to that text now would possibly<br>
put them in breach of their existing agreement with the NTIA. "</p>
<p dir="ltr">The use of the phrase "right now" is what I think makes the difference in our interpretation of the situation.</p>
<p dir="ltr">At ICANN 49, a question was raised during public forum whether the NTIA contract was weightier than the existing MoU; i.e if NTIA decide to assign IANA to another operator, can the respective communities(based on their current mou) insist that ICANN has meet up with their SLA and by so should continue to operate their function?</p>
<p dir="ltr">There was no definite response to that question and I think that is what is happening in this current situation; if ICANN signs such SLA, that would indirectly imply double oversight body. The specific section below is what buttresses my point:</p>
<p dir="ltr">" It is possible in the future that the operation of the protocol<br>
parameters registries may be transitioned from ICANN to subsequent<br>
operator(s). It is the preference of the IETF community that, as<br>
part of the NTIA transition, ICANN acknowledge that it will carry<br>
out the obligations established under C.7.3 and I.61 of the<br>
current IANA functions contract between ICANN and the NTIA<br>
[NTIA-Contract] to achieve a smooth transition to subsequent<br>
operator(s), should the need arise. "</p>
<p dir="ltr">So how can ICANN sign an agreement reflecting the statement above without actually either getting permission from NTIA OR having the current agreement with NTIA terminated. The requirements listed by IAB chair were developed in response to ICG request and that process is on-going, so I don't see why implementation should begin before NTIA's approval.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Overall, I think the important question has been asked on the IANA-plan list which is to know the actual text in the new SLA that ICANN can not agree to "at the moment". Until such information is made available, ordinary community member like me (and you?) would only be speculating. So my interpretation of the issue may be largely incorrect but it's based on the information currently available to me.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Regards</p>
<p dir="ltr">sent from Google nexus 4<br>
kindly excuse brevity and typos.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 30 Apr 2015 17:36, "Milton L Mueller" <<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu" target="_blank">mueller@syr.edu</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Seun:<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I suggest that you read the letter from the IETF people.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<pre><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">“</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black">It is our view that the substance of the statements above is already<u></u><u></u></span></font></pre>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black">part of our agreement with ICANN, and that we are merely elaborating<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black">details of that existing agreement.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I could be wrong, but I don’t think IETF would be publicizing this the way it is if it were not concerned.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Given the precedent established with CRISP, ICANN’s refusal to accept an agreement that, in IETF’s opinion, already
existed, is troublesome to say the least. <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> NCSG-Discuss
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</span></b>Seun Ojedeji<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, April 30, 2015 11:55 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [NCSG-Discuss] Ominous update on the IANA transition<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Hi Milton,<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Thanks for this share, I am not sure what was posted on the IANA-plan list by the IAB chair implied that ICANN is refusing IETF from moving it's function if required.<br>
I understood his message to imply ICANN is refusing to sign and agreement of such ability because they already have a commitment on such with the NTIA.<br>
I am not a lawyer, but I think it makes a lot of sense to activate such agreement at the termination of the other.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">A question to ask is whether ICANN is committed to signing the SLA once NTIA relinquishes it's current agreement.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Regards<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">sent from Google nexus 4<br>
kindly excuse brevity and typos.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">It’s now official: ICANN doesn’t even want to let the IETF have a choice of its IANA functions operator.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Those of you who read my
<a href="http://www.internetgovernance.org/2015/04/28/icann-wants-an-iana-functions-monopoly-and-its-willing-to-wreck-the-transition-process-to-get-it/" target="_blank">
blog post on ICANN’s interactions with the numbers community</a> will already know that ICANN is refusing to accept the consensus of the numbers community by recognizing its contractual right to terminate its IANA functions operator agreement with ICANN. In
that blog, I referred to second-hand reports that IETF was encountering similar problems with ICANN. Those reports are now public; the chairs of the IETF, IAB and IETF Administrative Oversight Committee have
<a href="http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ianaplan/current/msg01680.html" target="_blank">
sent a letter to their community</a> noting that ICANN is refusing to renew their supplemental service level agreement because it includes new provisions designed to facilitate change in IANA functions operators should IETF become dissatisfied with ICANN.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">These are truly shocking moves, because in effect ICANN’s legal staff is telling both the numbers and the protocols
communities that they will not accept the proposals for the IANA transition that they have developed as part of the IANA Stewardship Coordination Group (ICG) process. In both cases, the proposals were consensus proposals within the affected communities, and
were approved by the ICG as complete and conformant to the NTIA criteria. Thus, ICANN is in effect usurping the entire process, setting itself (rather than ICG and NTIA) as the arbiter of what is an acceptable transition proposal.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">The key point of conflict here seems to be the issue of whether ICANN will have a permanent monopoly on the
provision of IANA functions, or whether each of the affected communities – names, numbers and protocols – will have the right to choose the operator of their global registries. Separability is explicitly recognized by the Cross community working group on Names
as a principle to guide the transition, and was also listed as a requirement by the CRISP team. And the IETF has had an agreement with ICANN giving them separability since 2000 (<a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2860" target="_blank">RFC 2860</a>).
Yet despite the wishes of the community, ICANN seems to insist on a monopoly and seems to be exploiting the transition process to get one.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Of course, a severable contract for the IANA functions is the most effective and important form of accountability.
If the users of IANA are locked in to a single provider, it is more difficult to keep the IANA responsive, efficient and accountable. Given the implications of these actions for the accountability CCWG, I hope someone on that list will forward this message
to their list, if someone has not noted this event already. <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Milton L Mueller<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Laura J. and L. Douglas Meredith Professor<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Syracuse University School of Information Studies<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Internet Governance Project<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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