<p dir="ltr">Hi Chuck,</p>
<p dir="ltr">FWIW you were the first to use the word "corporation" and my point was that the behavior you postulated is expected. However the operating principles of a corporation would determine the extent at which the entity respect public interest. Fixing those operations guideline (principles) will go a long way at ensuring that ICANN legal indirectly defends public interest (even though they are required to defend the interest of the corporation). This is what I believe is one of the items of the CCWG.</p>
<p dir="ltr">@Milton not sure it's a good laugh sufficient for the whole of the weekend (depending on your timezone). ;-)</p>
<p dir="ltr">Cheers!<br>
sent from Google nexus 4<br>
kindly excuse brevity and typos.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 9 May 2015 15:39, "Gomes, Chuck" <<a href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com">cgomes@verisign.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">ICANN is not a normal corporation.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Chuck<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Seun Ojedeji [mailto:<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, May 09, 2015 9:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Gomes, Chuck<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Paul M Kane - CWG; <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>; Milton L Mueller<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Fwd: Re: [DTA - SLE] SLE Document with clarifying background info.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p>Hi Chuck,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>... and that is strange?(I don't think so, it's normal cooperation behavior to me) What I think is strange is that public interest does not seem to be adequately vested in the corporation's principles which I think is one of the aspect the CCWG is looking
into (as you rightly hinted)<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Cheers!<br>
sent from Google nexus 4<br>
kindly excuse brevity and typos.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 9 May 2015 14:20, "Gomes, Chuck" <<a href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" target="_blank">cgomes@verisign.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Unfortunately Paul, ICANN legal has a long history at putting the interests of the corporation over public interests whenever the two conflict. That is a key reason why the community is demanding new and more effective accountability mechanisms.<br>
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Chuck<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of Paul M Kane - CWG<br>
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 5:20 AM<br>
To: Milton L Mueller<br>
Cc: '<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>'<br>
Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Fwd: Re: [DTA - SLE] SLE Document with clarifying background info.<br>
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Thanks Milton<br>
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I sincerely hope that ICANN legal are NOT interfering with how IANA staff deliver technical services to the community.<br>
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What DT-A has done is capture the current performance delivered by IANA as the baseline for any post transition SLE - see the a draft SLE document under discussion attached......<br>
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Currently IANA delivers to the community Name Server updates, DS Record updates, WHOIS updates well within a week - and this includes having NTIA in the loop - so having an SLA that stipulates 21days for such tasks is clearly no longer fit for purpose.<br>
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Attached is the statistical analysis of current performance based on IANA's data presented to the CWG in March<br>
<a href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/52891144/DT-A_Statistical-Final.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1426003475000&api=v2" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/52891144/DT-A_Statistical-Final.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1426003475000&api=v2</a><br>
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I genuinely believe IANA staff are trying to provide the information (true IANA needs to invest in monitoring the performance of their RZM systems - but that is trivial, two days of a competent programmers time would provide IANA and the community with the
required matrices).<br>
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It would be a great shame for ICANN legal to prevent the IANA service which is delivered to the community today from being accurately captured by the SLE Group.... time will tell... and I am optimistic we will receive constructive input.<br>
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Best<br>
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Paul<br>
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Quoting Milton L Mueller <<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu" target="_blank">mueller@syr.edu</a>>:<br>
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> Better read the letter carefully, Paul It is pure 100% distilled<br>
> essence of ICANN legal.<br>
> As I read the letter, they have not given you anything that is not<br>
> already published on the web.<br>
><br>
> > -----Original Message-----<br>
> > From: <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship-</a><br>
> > <a href="mailto:bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">bounces@icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of Paul M Kane - CWG<br>
> > Sent: Friday, May 8, 2015 2:50 PM<br>
> > To: Grace Abuhamad<br>
> > Cc: <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br>
> > Subject: [CWG-Stewardship] Fwd: Re: [DTA - SLE] SLE Document with<br>
> > clarifying background info.<br>
> ><br>
> > Grace,<br>
> ><br>
> > Many thanks for helping DT-A obtain the current detailed IANA work<br>
> > flow information....<br>
> ><br>
> > Have a great w/end<br>
> ><br>
> > Best<br>
> ><br>
> > Paul<br>
> ><br>
> > Begin forwarded message:<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > ----- Forwarded message from Paul M Kane - CWG <paul.kane-<br>
> > <a href="mailto:cwg@icb.co.uk" target="_blank">cwg@icb.co.uk</a>> -----<br>
> > Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 19:42:18 +0100<br>
> > From: Paul M Kane - CWG <<a href="mailto:paul.kane-cwg@icb.co.uk" target="_blank">paul.kane-cwg@icb.co.uk</a>><br>
> > Reply-To: Paul M Kane - CWG <<a href="mailto:paul.kane-cwg@icb.co.uk" target="_blank">paul.kane-cwg@icb.co.uk</a>><br>
> > Subject: Re: [DTA - SLE] SLE Document with clarifying background info.<br>
> > To: Elise Gerich <<a href="mailto:elise.gerich@icann.org" target="_blank">elise.gerich@icann.org</a>><br>
> ><br>
> > Thanks Elise<br>
> ><br>
> > I confirm receipt of the response from ICANN Legal following our<br>
> > DIDP request.<br>
> ><br>
> > On or after the 12th May 2015, we look forward to receiving the<br>
> > current detailed IANA process workflow documents (with comments as<br>
> > to why any "sensitive"<br>
> > information has been redacted) so we can work cooperatively with you<br>
> > to create a professional Service Level Expectation (SLE) document<br>
> > for the benefit of the whole community.<br>
> ><br>
> > Have a great w/end<br>
> ><br>
> > Best<br>
> ><br>
> > Paul<br>
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