<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Chuck,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I'm not too sure about that. The punch list, asks the question "Composition: who will select the TLD representative that is not a ccTLD or gTLD registry?" so it seems to refer to a single representative, and one that is not a ccTLD or gTLD (regardless of membership in any ICANN structure). The punch list further refers to Annex G, page 59. Page 59 has the following list of proposed Registry members of the CSC:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 1in;line-height:150%"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:Symbol">·<span style="font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman'">
</span></span><span lang="EN-CA">2 x gTLD registry operators</span></p>
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</span></span><span lang="EN-CA">2 x ccTLD registry operators</span></p>
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</span></span><span lang="EN-CA">1 additional TLD representative
not considered a ccTLD or gTLD registry operator such as the IAB for .ARPA
could also be included in the minimum requirements but is not mandatory</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 1in;line-height:150%"><span lang="EN-CA"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 1in;line-height:150%"><span lang="EN-CA">Based on these data points, it appears that DT C is discussing the third bullet point, which gives .ARPA as an example. (The third bulletpoint also notes this "seat" is not "mandatory.") Therefore, it does look like the reference is to that very limited universe cited by Christopher Wilkinson: .ARPA (IANA/IAB), .INT (IANA), .MIL (US Dept of Defense), .EDU (US Dept of Commerce/Dept of Education/Educause), .GOV (US General Services Admin). (There are other "sTLDs" but these now seem to be considered gTLDs for all intents and purposes, such as .mobi, .travel, .xxx, etc.) </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 1in;line-height:150%"><span lang="EN-CA"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 1in;line-height:150%"><span lang="EN-CA">I don't see the harm in having a seat for these 5 (really 4, since as Martin notes, it would be odd to have the .INT operator (IANA) in the CSC) registries, since as Martin also notes, they do not otherwise have a direct voice or a natural channel through the GNSO or ccNSO.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 1in;line-height:150%"><span lang="EN-CA"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 1in;line-height:150%"><span lang="EN-CA"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 1in;line-height:150%"><span lang="EN-CA">Greg</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 1in;line-height:150%"><span lang="EN-CA"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 1in;line-height:150%"><span lang="EN-CA"> </span></p></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Gomes, Chuck <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" target="_blank">cgomes@verisign.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Christopher,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I am not on DT-C so I cannot speak for them, but my understanding is that they were talking about TLD registries that are not members of the ccNSO or RySG.
Regardless, I think you raise an important issue that should be considered.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 14, 2015 12:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Donna Austin; <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a> IANA<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [CWG-Stewardship] Fwd: Sidley punch list items considered by CSC Design Team<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Donna, Dear Friends and Colleagues: <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">With reference to the DT-C notes on the 'Punch List', attached, for which I thank you, allow me a short comment on Point 11: CSC Composition.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In which case, to the best of my knowledge, the only candidates are .int, .gov, .edu and .mil. or .arpa,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">thus the DT-C comments under point 11, would appear to be a rather odd circumlocution, if the intention is to ensure that the USG-based TLDs, or the ICANN-based TLDs, would somehow have an 'extra' seat on the CSC.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I drew this question to your attention in my mail, below, of 26 February, but did not receive a reply.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Having reviewed in some detail the most recent version of the CWG transition proposal, I still find no reference to the above TLDs (with the exception of .int)<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Indeed, if it is the CWG position that these TLDs should be somehow 'grandfathered' outside the IANA transition, then may I suggest that it behoves someone - not excluding NTIA - to say so clearly, now.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Otherwise there will be a lingering misunderstanding that would sit uncomfortably with the underlying proposition that the IANA transition is to the global multistakeholder Internet community.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From: </b>CW Lists <<a href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu" target="_blank">lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</a>><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Draft Proposal Version 2.0</b><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Date: </b>26 Feb 2015 13:50:44 GMT+01:00<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>To: </b>Lise Fuhr <<a href="mailto:lise.fuhr@difo.dk" target="_blank">lise.fuhr@difo.dk</a>>, Jonathan Robinson <<a href="mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info" target="_blank">jrobinson@afilias.info</a>><u></u><u></u></p>
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Thankyou for another draft magnum opus. As you say there are several aspects to be completed in greater detail.<br>
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- and indeed in the whole document, there is no reference to the TLDs: .gov, .mil, .edu and .arpa.<br>
These are not gTLDs, as the reference to .int confirms. For the sake of completeness, it would not be appropriate to ignore them.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Subject: [CWG-Stewardship] Sidley punch list items considered by CSC Design Team</span></b><u></u><u></u></p>
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