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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Without necessarily agreeing with your assumption that the PTI board needs to be “insider” in the extreme sense you describe, I wonder whether legally the same
result could be obtained if the GNSO and CCNSO nominated PTI directors subject to the approval of the ICANN board.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Greg Shatan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 25, 2015 1:11 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Seun Ojedeji<br>
<b>Cc:</b> avri; cwg-stewardship@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] PTI Board Composition<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I assume that we want ICANN-the-corporation (ICANN) to be accountable for the actions of PTI, and in turn ICANN-the-community (the Community) will hold ICANN accountable for any failures. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">If that is the case, I think we are really limited to an "insider" board for PTI. By that I mean an "insider" board in the sense used by counsel -- a majority of board members appointed at
the discretion of ICANN (most likely by ICANN as the sole member of PTI). (Not insiders in the sense of active and experienced members of the community, though ICANN could choose to appoint such people.) For ICANN to be in charge of and accountable for the
actions of PTI, the board really needs to be in ICANN's hands. (There could still be a minority of "outsiders" on the board, but only a minority.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">If the board is an outsider board (again, in the sense used by counsel -- a majority not appointed by ICANN), then PTI is really no longer part of the ICANN business. This is particularly
true if PTI is a non profit (e.g., a California public benefit corporation), since the non profit cannot be owned by ICANN. Thus, "control" of PTI is really the prime (and essentially only) indicia of ownership. And without an inside board, ICANN really
cannot be said to "control" PTI.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 12:36 AM, Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">It's a basic and unwaivable element of a corporation (non-profit or for profit) to have a board of directors. The relevant section of the California Corporate Code reads (emphasis added):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<pre><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">5210. <b>Each corporation shall have a board of directors.</b> Subject to<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">the provisions of this part and any limitations in the articles or<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">bylaws relating to action required to be approved by the members<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">(Section 5034), or by a majority of all members (Section 5033), the<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">activities and affairs of a corporation shall be conducted and all<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">board. The board may delegate the management of the activities of the<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">exercised under the ultimate direction of the board.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 1:44 PM, Seun Ojedeji <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>sent from Google nexus 4<br>
kindly excuse brevity and typos.<br>
On 24 May 2015 15:53, "Seun Ojedeji" <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Hi Avri,<br>
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> Thanks for the attempt, I don't think the noncom option would work especially as they would be selecting within stakeholders that are more than 3. I would have love to have an MS PTI board, but the possibility of it not becoming a large one may not be realistic.<br>
> I see 3 options going forward:<br>
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> - PTI gets filled with a committee of ICANN board and IANA most senior staff<br>
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> - PTI gets filled with 2 ICANN global leaders, 1 ICANN board liaison and IANA most senior staff<br>
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> - We ask legal if it's compulsory to have a for PTI and if it isn't then the most senior IANA staff should just manage PTI and report to ICANN board/community<br>
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SO:<br>
Edit: <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>- We ask legal if it's compulsory to have a *board* for PTI and if it isn't then the most senior IANA staff should just manage PTI and report to ICANN board/community<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Cheers!<o:p></o:p></p>
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> Regards<br>
> sent from Google nexus 4<br>
> kindly excuse brevity and typos.<br>
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> On 24 May 2015 13:50, "Avri Doria" <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Hi,<br>
>><br>
>> I would like to put a proposal on the table on the composition of the<br>
>> PTI Board.<br>
>><br>
>> Specifically<br>
>><br>
>> On 22-May-15 18:32, Avri Doria wrote:<br>
>> > * On the PTI Board, I believe it should be minimal, so instead of having<br>
>> > a balanced multstakeholder set of individuals, it should have a majority<br>
>> > of representatives (s)elected by a multistakeholder modality. e.g 1<br>
>> > ICANN Staff, 1 PTI Staff, 3 selected by ICANN Nomcom.<br>
>><br>
>> Personally, I propose:<br>
>><br>
>> 1 ICANN Staff as selected by ICANN President and endorsed by ICANN Board<br>
>> 1 PTI Staff, typically the Sr. Officer of the PTI, i.e its President or<br>
>> Executive Director or their designee<br>
>> 3 Nomcom Selections<br>
>> various liaisons as agreed after cross operational community discussions<br>
>><br>
>> This PTI Board would have fewer people in it than the PTI staff has, but<br>
>> would be large enough for some degree of diversity.<br>
>><br>
>> While in a formal sense, this would seem to be an outside Board, given<br>
>> that the majority is picked by the ICANN community instead of the ICANN<br>
>> staff, it is an insider board when considered from the perspective of<br>
>> ICANN as a multistakeholder run organization.<br>
>><br>
>> It avoids the problem of deciding that one stakeholder type is more<br>
>> appropriate that another, but allows the community on an annual basis to<br>
>> decide which skills and knowledge are most important using a well<br>
>> established ICANN method. The skills and knowledge may vary over time,<br>
>> including considerations such as operational experience, financial<br>
>> skill, international legal knowledge, security capability, root zone<br>
>> operator perspective, community policy perspective, DNS protocol or<br>
>> system design expertise. Those selected by the ICANN Nomcom could be<br>
>> community insiders or outside experts, as decided by each Nomcom<br>
>> according to the perceived needs at that time. The set of considerations<br>
>> and needs would be decided on by the ICANN Nomcom in consultation with<br>
>> ICANN Board & Staff, the multistakeholder community and PTI staff,<br>
>> according to Nomcom's normal current and future practices.<br>
>><br>
>> In terms of the current discussions, it allows us to defer certain<br>
>> decisions, such as which skill and knowledge categories are most<br>
>> appropriate until they can address future understandings. It avoid<br>
>> having the CWG micromanage the future of the PTI Board, yet leaves it<br>
>> under the community's control.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> thanks<br>
>> avri<br>
>><br>
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