<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"><base href="x-msg://33/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Well, I think I said before that the ICANN/IANA member of an eventual PTI Board should be max. a non-voting observer.<div>There is no obvious reason for having an 'internal' Board if all its members are also represented in the ICANN Board.</div><div><br></div><div><div>In any event, I maintain that any conclusion from this discussion is premature. CWG cannot rule on IANA governance, only advise on a partial solution.</div><div><div>BTW, in so far as NRO and IETF have abstained form active participation in ICANN in the past,, that was a strategic error on their part, which I suppose they will get round to correcting, soon.</div><div></div></div><div><br></div><div>CW</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><div>On 25 May 2015, at 15:30, James Gannon <<a href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net">james@cyberinvasion.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Without wading into this discussion just going to make the point with the exception of the CEO its extremely rare to have staff members on the board of their employer and would usually be advised against as best practice in my knowledge. Have we received any legal advice on possible ‘restrictions’ as to the composition of the PTI board, even if as best practice rather than legal prohibitions?<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">-James<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:cwg-<a href="mailto:stewardship-bounces@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Kieren McCarthy<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, May 25, 2015 2:20 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>GomesChuck<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">avri@acm.org</a>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [CWG-Stewardship] PTI Board Composition<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">In this whole process, I had always assumed:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">* 1 Board member from names community<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">* 1 Board member from numbers community<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">* 1 Board member from protocols community<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">* 1 IANA staff member<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">* 1 ICANN Board member<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Let each group decide on its representative.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Simple, balanced, effective. <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I think the most important thing would be to have as little politics and process as possible.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Kieren<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><br>-<br>[sent through phone]<o:p></o:p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 5:23 AM, Gomes, Chuck <<a href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">cgomes@verisign.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in; "><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Alan,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Assuming a PTI Board of 5 or larger, two registry related Directors would not be in a preferential position in terms of majority. In my opinion, having a couple Directors who understand the functioning of the IFO in meeting TLD registry needs would increase the chances that the Board would " have the requisite skills and knowledge to do that quickly and effectively".<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Chuck<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>-----Original Message-----<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>From: Alan Greenberg [<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 11:57 AM<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>To: Gomes, Chuck;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">avri@acm.org</a>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] PTI Board Composition<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Chuck, the ALAC has not reach consensus as to whether the PTI Board should be MS or not, but we have definitely reach closure on the PTI Board NOT having registries in a preferential position to other stakeholders (if indeed we end up with a MS PTI Board).<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>In my personal opinion, the PTI Board will have relatively little to do in a steady-state situation where everything is working well.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>However, if things are NOT going well, it is the PTI Board that would need to be the first line of recourse in fixing it, and it must have the requisite skills and knowledge to do that quickly and effectively.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Alan<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>At 24/05/2015 10:25 AM, Gomes, Chuck wrote:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>Avri,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>It is not clear to me that the NomCom's mission and makeup is the right<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>fit to appoint PTI Directors, and particularly a majority of them.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>I haven't tested this idea with others yet, but I kind of like the idea<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>of having one each of the ICANN Directors elected by the ccNSO and GNSO<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>serve on the PTI Board. In an ICANN membership structure, the ccNSO or<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>GNSO could remove their appointed directors if they were not<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>accountability.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>Chuck<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>-----Original Message-----<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>[<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of Avri Doria<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 8:49 AM<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>Subject: [CWG-Stewardship] PTI Board Composition<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>Hi,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>I would like to put a proposal on the table on the composition of the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>PTI Board.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>Specifically<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>On 22-May-15 18:32, Avri Doria wrote:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > * On the PTI Board, I believe it should be minimal, so instead of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > having a balanced multstakeholder set of individuals, it should<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> have a majority<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > of representatives (s)elected by a multistakeholder modality. e.g 1<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > ICANN Staff, 1 PTI Staff, 3 selected by ICANN Nomcom.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>Personally, I propose:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>1 ICANN Staff as selected by ICANN President and endorsed by ICANN<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>Board<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>1 PTI Staff, typically the Sr. Officer of the PTI, i.e its President or<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>Executive Director or their designee<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>3 Nomcom Selections<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>various liaisons as agreed after cross operational community<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>discussions<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>This PTI Board would have fewer people in it than the PTI staff has,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>but would be large enough for some degree of diversity.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>While in a formal sense, this would seem to be an outside Board, given<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>that the majority is picked by the ICANN community instead of the ICANN<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>staff, it is an insider board when considered from the perspective of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>ICANN as a multistakeholder run organization.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>It avoids the problem of deciding that one stakeholder type is more<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>appropriate that another, but allows the community on an annual basis<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>to decide which skills and knowledge are most important using a well<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>established ICANN method. The skills and knowledge may vary over time,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>including considerations such as operational experience, financial<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>skill, international legal knowledge, security capability, root zone<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>operator perspective, community policy perspective, DNS protocol or<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>system design expertise. Those selected by the ICANN Nomcom could be<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>community insiders or outside experts, as decided by each Nomcom<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>according to the perceived needs at that time. The set of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>considerations and needs would be decided on by the ICANN Nomcom in<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>consultation with ICANN Board & Staff, the multistakeholder community<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>and PTI staff, according to Nomcom's normal current and future<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>practices.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>In terms of the current discussions, it allows us to defer certain<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>decisions, such as which skill and knowledge categories are most<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>appropriate until they can address future understandings. It avoid<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>having the CWG micromanage the future of the PTI Board, yet leaves it<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>under the community's control.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>thanks<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>avri<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>---<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><a href="http://www.avast.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.avast.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>_______________________________________________<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>CWG-Stewardship mailing list<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><a href="mailto:CWG-Stewardship@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">CWG-Stewardship@icann.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>_______________________________________________<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>CWG-Stewardship mailing list<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><a href="mailto:CWG-Stewardship@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">CWG-Stewardship@icann.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>_______________________________________________<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>CWG-Stewardship mailing list<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><a href="mailto:CWG-Stewardship@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">CWG-Stewardship@icann.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>CWG-Stewardship mailing list<br><a href="mailto:CWG-Stewardship@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">CWG-Stewardship@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship</a><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></body></html>