I see this as a community power. Frankly, the Board could initiate an RFP or other change to IANA functions operations without a SIFR.<div><br></div><div>Greg<span></span><br><br>On Friday, June 5, 2015, Staffan Jonson &lt;<a href="mailto:staffan.jonson@iis.se">staffan.jonson@iis.se</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="white" lang="SV" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">The rationale for giving ICANN (or PTI) the ability to initiate a SIFR would allude to some general principles of transparency (’everybody should be able to check everybody’). In my view the principles behind is an interesting discussion, but not very much more. The current Hybrid model and contract governance give ICANN a lot of power, the upper hand so to say. So according to proposal ICANN will already control IANA functions operations. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">So who would ICANN scrutinize with its review power? Its own supporting organizations?  SO:s and AC:s? Most cc:s are not even contracted with ICANN, and have few plans to become. Or would ICANN need to review its own IANA operations with an external organization? The latter would to me indicate lack of control. Or dual representation by MS community.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">So a practical answer is: It wouldn’t need to. And I see very few possibilities of change in this area. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">So my answer is more along a pragmatic stream: Is this relevant for the CWG? Now? Do we really, really need to include this aspect in transition? This late? Are we limiting our deliberations to what is absolutely necessary for the transition, or are we – once the window of ooportunity is open- trying to make it a perfect world? I would say no to both. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Another answer relates to direct process: The need for a review is about accountability, so any power for ICANN to review itself should preferably be discussed by CCWG (WS2). <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">However what might be valid, is that ICG soon will have to handle up to three parallel mechanisms for review (one from each community within  CWG). Maybe we should remind them of the potential need to coordinate review mechanisms.  <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:&quot;Calibri Light&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:&quot;Calibri Light&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Staffan <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:&quot;Calibri Light&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:&quot;Calibri Light&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">With best regards<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:&quot;Calibri Light&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Staffan Jonson<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:&quot;Calibri Light&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:&quot;Calibri Light&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Mr. Staffan Jonson, Senior Policy Adviser<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:&quot;Calibri Light&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">.SE (The Internet Infrastructure foundation)<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:&quot;Calibri Light&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:&quot;Calibri Light&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">BOX 7399 | SE-103 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upermajority. </i></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif"><br><br>Would we require a supermajority of only the Board, or in addition to the ccNSO and GNSO.  And as a result of the mechanisms being exhausted?  I would assume so.<br><br>Matthew<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">On 6/5/2015 4:05 AM, Milton L Mueller wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><pre><span lang="EN-GB">I can&#39;t <u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">--MM<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></pre><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><pre><span lang="EN-GB">-----Original Message-----<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">From: <a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org&#39;);" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;cwg-stewardship&#39;);" target="_blank">mailto:cwg-stewardship</a>-<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB"><a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;bounces@icann.org&#39;);" target="_blank">bounces@icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of Gomes, Chuck<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2015 5:02 PM<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">To: <a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;avri@acm.org&#39;);" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a>; <a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;cwg-stewardship@icann.org&#39;);" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Final response from DT-M regarding public<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">comments<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">Good catch Avri and good question. Can anyone think of a  reason why the<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">ICANN Board should not be able to request an SIFR?<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">Chuck<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">-----Original Message-----<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">From: <a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org&#39;);" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;cwg-stewardship&#39;);" target="_blank">mailto:cwg-stewardship</a>-<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB"><a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;bounces@icann.org&#39;);" target="_blank">bounces@icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of Avri Doria<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 4:39 PM<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">To: <a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;cwg-stewardship@icann.org&#39;);" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Final response from DT-M regarding public<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">comments<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">Hi,<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">I am part of DT-M and partly responsible for this.<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">But.  It has a cost, which I did mention on the DT-M list:<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">There is currently no mechanism defined for the Board to initiate a SIFR.<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">Should there be?<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">avri<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">On 04-Jun-15 16:10, Gomes, Chuck wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></pre><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><pre><span lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">Here is DT-M&#39;s final proposed response to comment review tool item #<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">246 regarding AFRALO&#39;s suggestion that the PTI Board be allowed to<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">initiate a SIFR directly:  *&quot;DT M carefully considered the<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">recommendation to allow the PTI Board to initiate a Special IFR but<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">decided against that while at the same time noting that the PTI Board<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">could request that the ICANN Board consider doing so.&quot;*<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">If there are any questions, please let me know.<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">Chuck<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">          &quot;This message (including any attachments) is intended only<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">          for the use of the individual or entity to which it is<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">          addressed, and may contain information that is non-public,<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">          proprietary, privileged, confidential and exempt from<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">          disclosure under applicable law or may be constituted as<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">          attorney work product. If you are not the intended<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">          recipient, you are hereby notified that any use,<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">          dissemination, distribution, or copying of this<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">          communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">          this message in error, notify sender immediately and delete<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">          this message immediately.&quot;<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">_______________________________________________<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">CWG-Stewardship mailing list<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB"><a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;CWG-Stewardship@icann.org&#39;);" target="_blank">CWG-Stewardship@icann.org</a><u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB"><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship</a><u></u><u></u></span></pre></blockquote><pre><span lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">---<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB"><a href="https://www.avast.com/antivirus" target="_blank">https://www.avast.com/antivirus</a><u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">_______________________________________________<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">CWG-Stewardship mailing list<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB"><a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;CWG-Stewardship@icann.org&#39;);" target="_blank">CWG-Stewardship@icann.org</a><u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB"><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship</a><u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">_______________________________________________<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">CWG-Stewardship mailing list<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB"><a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;CWG-Stewardship@icann.org&#39;);" target="_blank">CWG-Stewardship@icann.org</a><u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB"><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship</a><u></u><u></u></span></pre></blockquote><pre><span lang="EN-GB">_______________________________________________<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB">CWG-Stewardship mailing list<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB"><a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;CWG-Stewardship@icann.org&#39;);" target="_blank">CWG-Stewardship@icann.org</a><u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB"><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship</a><u></u><u></u></span></pre></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal" style="mar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