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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’m missing something, Matthew.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’d have issues with ICANN launching an RfP without some sort of community endorsement. After all, ICANN becomes the stewardship home of a community resource
because it brings in the multi-stakeholder community.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Why might ICANN want to launch an RfP? If there are good reasons, then we would need to write around this (these) particular reason(s). As a conspiracy theorist,
I need convincing that this is a benign power.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Martin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> Matthew Shears [mailto:mshears@cdt.org]
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<b>Sent:</b> 05 June 2015 14:54<br>
<b>To:</b> Greg Shatan; Staffan Jonson<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Martin Boyle; Milton L Mueller; cwg-stewardship@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Final response from DT-M regarding public comments<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I agree Greg and have similar concerns to Staffan and Martin. But on your second point have we specified how the board would do this:<br>
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t<i>he Board could initiate an RFP or other change to IANA functions operations without a SIFR</i><br>
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Matthew<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 6/5/2015 12:48 PM, Greg Shatan wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I see this as a community power. Frankly, the Board could initiate an RFP or other change to IANA functions operations without a SIFR.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Greg<br>
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On Friday, June 5, 2015, Staffan Jonson <<a href="mailto:staffan.jonson@iis.se">staffan.jonson@iis.se</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The rationale for giving ICANN (or PTI) the ability to initiate a SIFR would allude to some general principles
of transparency (’everybody should be able to check everybody’). In my view the principles behind is an interesting discussion, but not very much more. The current Hybrid model and contract governance give ICANN a lot of power, the upper hand so to say. So
according to proposal ICANN will already control IANA functions operations. </span>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">So who would ICANN scrutinize with its review power? Its own supporting organizations? SO:s and AC:s?
Most cc:s are not even contracted with ICANN, and have few plans to become. Or would ICANN need to review its own IANA operations with an external organization? The latter would to me indicate lack of control. Or dual representation by MS community.</span><span lang="SV"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">So a practical answer is: It wouldn’t need to. And I see very few possibilities of change in this area.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">So my answer is more along a pragmatic stream: Is this relevant for the CWG? Now? Do we really, really
need to include this aspect in transition? This late? Are we limiting our deliberations to what is absolutely necessary for the transition, or are we – once the window of ooportunity is open- trying to make it a perfect world? I would say no to both.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Another answer relates to direct process: The need for a review is about accountability, so any power
for ICANN to review itself should preferably be discussed by CCWG (WS2). </span>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span lang="SV"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">However what might be valid, is that ICG soon will have to handle up to three parallel mechanisms for
review (one from each community within CWG). Maybe we should remind them of the potential need to coordinate review mechanisms. </span><span lang="SV"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Staffan </span>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="SV"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">With best regards</span><span lang="SV"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Staffan Jonson</span><span lang="SV"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="SV"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Mr. Staffan Jonson, Senior Policy Adviser</span><span lang="SV"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">Från:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
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cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org');" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>För </b>Martin Boyle<br>
</span><b><span lang="SV" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">Skickat:</span></b><span lang="SV" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> den 5 juni 2015 12:01<br>
<b>Till:</b> Matthew Shears; Milton L Mueller; <a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cwg-stewardship@icann.org');" target="_blank">
cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Ämne:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Final response from DT-M regarding public comments</span><span lang="SV"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="SV"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I struggle to imagine why the ICANN Board (any more than the PTI Board) would want to initiate an SIFR,
in particular without the support of the community. Worse, I would feel that there would be a “cunning plan” somewhere behind such a decision and that leaves me seriously questioning why we would want this process to be triggered in such a way. No support
for an SIFR, no overriding ICANN (or PTI) Board to ignore interests of the community.</span><span lang="SV"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If someone can see possible reasons, I’d like to hear them. Then any trigger route could be defined
(and limited) more carefully.</span><span lang="SV"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Martin</span><span lang="SV"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org');" target="_blank">
cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org');" target="_blank">mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Matthew Shears<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 05 June 2015 06:17<br>
<b>To:</b> Milton L Mueller; <a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cwg-stewardship@icann.org');" target="_blank">
cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Final response from DT-M regarding public comments</span><span lang="SV"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-CA"> </span><span lang="SV"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-CA">But what would the thresholds be? And, currently an SIFR comes as a result of other mechanisms being exhausted as well as the IANA probems resolution process.<br>
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<i>The Special IFR would be triggered by a supermajority vote of each of the ccNSO and GNSO Councils according to their normal procedures for determining supermajority.
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Would we require a supermajority of only the Board, or in addition to the ccNSO and GNSO. And as a result of the mechanisms being exhausted? I would assume so.<br>
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Matthew</span><span lang="SV"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman ,serif","serif"">On 6/5/2015 4:05 AM, Milton L Mueller wrote:</span><span lang="SV"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<pre>I can't <span lang="SV"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre><a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','bounces@icann.org');" target="_blank">bounces@icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of Gomes, Chuck<span lang="SV"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre>Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2015 5:02 PM<span lang="SV"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre>To: <a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','avri@acm.org');" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a>; <a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cwg-stewardship@icann.org');" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><span lang="SV"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre>Good catch Avri and good question. Can anyone think of a reason why the<span lang="SV"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre>ICANN Board should not be able to request an SIFR?<span lang="SV"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre>Chuck<span lang="SV"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre><a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','bounces@icann.org');" target="_blank">bounces@icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of Avri Doria<span lang="SV"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre>Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 4:39 PM<span lang="SV"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre>Hi,<span lang="SV"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre>I am part of DT-M and partly responsible for this.<span lang="SV"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre>But. It has a cost, which I did mention on the DT-M list:<span lang="SV"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre>There is currently no mechanism defined for the Board to initiate a SIFR.<span lang="SV"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre>Should there be?<span lang="SV"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre>avri<span lang="SV"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre>On 04-Jun-15 16:10, Gomes, Chuck wrote:<span lang="SV"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre>Here is DT-M's final proposed response to comment review tool item #<span lang="SV"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre>246 regarding AFRALO's suggestion that the PTI Board be allowed to<span lang="SV"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre>initiate a SIFR directly: *"DT M carefully considered the<span lang="SV"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre>recommendation to allow the PTI Board to initiate a Special IFR but<span lang="SV"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre>decided against that while at the same time noting that the PTI Board<span lang="SV"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre>could request that the ICANN Board consider doing so."*<span lang="SV"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre>If there are any questions, please let me know.<span lang="SV"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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