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I agree Greg and have similar concerns to Staffan and Martin. But
on your second point have we specified how the board would do this:<br>
<br>
t<i>he Board could initiate an RFP or other change to IANA functions
operations without a SIFR</i><br>
<br>
Matthew<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/5/2015 12:48 PM, Greg Shatan
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CA+aOHUTWvSF0krrf_wkCVKThXzDVXsgYtZAYx+9dVfH+ajc64Q@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">I see this as a community power. Frankly, the Board
could initiate an RFP or other change to IANA functions operations
without a SIFR.
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<div>Greg<span></span><br>
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On Friday, June 5, 2015, Staffan Jonson <<a
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US">The rationale for giving ICANN (or PTI)
the ability to initiate a SIFR would allude to some
general principles of transparency (’everybody should
be able to check everybody’). In my view the
principles behind is an interesting discussion, but
not very much more. The current Hybrid model and
contract governance give ICANN a lot of power, the
upper hand so to say. So according to proposal ICANN
will already control IANA functions operations. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US">So who would ICANN scrutinize with its
review power? Its own supporting organizations? SO:s
and AC:s? Most cc:s are not even contracted with
ICANN, and have few plans to become. Or would ICANN
need to review its own IANA operations with an
external organization? The latter would to me indicate
lack of control. Or dual representation by MS
community.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US">So a practical answer is: It wouldn’t
need to. And I see very few possibilities of change in
this area. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US">So my answer is more along a pragmatic
stream: Is this relevant for the CWG? Now? Do we
really, really need to include this aspect in
transition? This late? Are we limiting our
deliberations to what is absolutely necessary for the
transition, or are we – once the window of ooportunity
is open- trying to make it a perfect world? I would
say no to both. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US">Another answer relates to direct process:
The need for a review is about accountability, so any
power for ICANN to review itself should preferably be
discussed by CCWG (WS2). </span></p>
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style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US">However what might be valid, is that ICG
soon will have to handle up to three parallel
mechanisms for review (one from each community within
CWG). Maybe we should remind them of the potential
need to coordinate review mechanisms. </span></p>
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<b>För </b>Martin Boyle<br>
</span><b><span
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5 juni 2015 12:01<br>
<b>Till:</b> Matthew Shears; Milton L Mueller; <a
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<b>Ämne:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Final response
from DT-M regarding public comments</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-CA">I struggle to imagine why the ICANN Board
(any more than the PTI Board) would want to initiate
an SIFR, in particular without the support of the
community. Worse, I would feel that there would be a
“cunning plan” somewhere behind such a decision and
that leaves me seriously questioning why we would want
this process to be triggered in such a way. No
support for an SIFR, no overriding ICANN (or PTI)
Board to ignore interests of the community.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-CA">If someone can see possible reasons, I’d
like to hear them. Then any trigger route could be
defined (and limited) more carefully.</span></p>
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lang="EN-CA">Martin</span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Matthew Shears<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 05 June 2015 06:17<br>
<b>To:</b> Milton L Mueller; <a
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Final
response from DT-M regarding public comments</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
lang="EN-CA">But what would the thresholds be? And,
currently an SIFR comes as a result of other
mechanisms being exhausted as well as the IANA probems
resolution process.<br>
<br>
<i>The Special IFR would be triggered by a
supermajority vote of each of the ccNSO and GNSO
Councils according to their normal procedures for
determining supermajority. </i></span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif" lang="EN-GB"><br>
<br>
Would we require a supermajority of only the Board, or
in addition to the ccNSO and GNSO. And as a result of
the mechanisms being exhausted? I would assume so.<br>
<br>
Matthew</span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif" lang="EN-GB">On 6/5/2015 4:05 AM,
Milton L Mueller wrote:</span></p>
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<pre><span lang="EN-GB">I can't </span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="EN-GB">Good catch Avri and good question. Can anyone think of a reason why the</span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-GB">ICANN Board should not be able to request an SIFR?</span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="EN-GB">comments</span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-GB">Hi,</span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-GB">I am part of DT-M and partly responsible for this.</span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-GB">But. It has a cost, which I did mention on the DT-M list:</span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-GB">There is currently no mechanism defined for the Board to initiate a SIFR.</span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-GB">Should there be?</span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-GB">avri</span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-GB">On 04-Jun-15 16:10, Gomes, Chuck wrote:</span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="EN-GB">Here is DT-M's final proposed response to comment review tool item #</span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-GB">246 regarding AFRALO's suggestion that the PTI Board be allowed to</span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-GB">initiate a SIFR directly: *"DT M carefully considered the</span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-GB">recommendation to allow the PTI Board to initiate a Special IFR but</span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-GB">decided against that while at the same time noting that the PTI Board</span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-GB">could request that the ICANN Board consider doing so."*</span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="EN-GB">If there are any questions, please let me know.</span></pre>
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