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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The flow looks fine to me as long as the regular IFRs occur no less frequently than every 5 years after the initial IFR.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Chuck<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>James Gannon<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 08, 2015 5:47 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> jrobinson@afilias.info; avri@acm.org; cwg-stewardship@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Transition ProposalHi, v.3 -- Edits due on Sunday at 23:59 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Johnathan, Greg,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">My understanding of what Avri and me are proposing (Avri may correct me), I think for this kind of thing laying it out visually can help understand it better:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><img width="875" height="503" id="Picture_x0020_2" src="cid:image001.jpg@01D0A295.F630BB40"><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">-James<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org">mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of Jonathan Robinson<br>
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2015 10:14 AM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a>; <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">
cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Transition ProposalHi, v.3 -- Edits due on Sunday at 23:59 UTC<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">I am not sure Greg is saying exactly that.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">I understand his proposal to be that the IFR's remain on the same schedule regardless.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Greg, please confirm?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Jonathan<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">From: Avri Doria [<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">mailto:avri@acm.org</span></a>]<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Sent: 08 June 2015 00:32<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">To: <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Transition ProposalHi, v.3 -- Edits due on Sunday at 23:59 UTC<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">that was exactly what I proposed.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">SCWG -> reset IFR timer.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">cheers<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">avri<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">On 07-Jun-15 18:30, Greg Shatan wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> I think we are complicating things with the timing of reviews. It
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> will be more predictable to have the periodic reviews stay on
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> schedule, regardless of a SIFR. I would suggest that the next
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> periodic IFR (PIFR?) after a SIFR should specifically examine whether
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> the remediation that came out of the SIFR continued to work in a
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> satisfactory manner.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> The only exception would be if a SIFR resulting in SCWG and ultimately
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> in a new IFO (replacing PTI). In this case, the new IFO should be
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> subject to a PIFR two years after commencing operations.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Greg<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 12:45 PM, James Gannon <james@cyberinvasion.net
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <<a href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net</span></a>>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> I would support the SCWG making a recommendation on it as the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> landscape may change post an SCWG depending on the outcome. The<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> SCWG would be in the best position to make an informed fact based<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> decision at that time rather than us making it based on<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> hypotheticals now.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> -James<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> -----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> From: <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org">
<span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</span></a>><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</span></a>>] On Behalf Of Avri Doria<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2015 4:29 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> To: <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</span></a> <<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org</span></a>><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Transition Proposal v.3 -- Edits<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> due on Sunday at 23:59 UTC<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Hi<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Sorry for the confusion.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> I was asking whether we consider resetting the IFR timer for post<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> SCWG.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> We had the conversation about post SIFR and lots of arguments were<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> made both ways, with neither prevailing; so I left that issue alone.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> The idea about doing it post SCWG, is that even if the SCWG were<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> to result in no-change, whatever would have been going on at the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> time, would have been serious enough for the SCWG to have been<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> triggered. It therefore seems that this would be a good time to<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> rest the clock back to time 0 (i.e. this transition).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> On the other hand, perhaps this decision could be left to the SCWG<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> to recommend, just as a SIFR or IFR could recommend a changed timing.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> avri<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> On 07-Jun-15 11:14, Gomes, Chuck wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > Avri,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> ><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > Regarding the clock for periodic IFRs related to SIFRs, let me<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> make sure I understand what you are suggesting. Am I correct that<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> you are suggesting that after an SIFR the entire clock would be<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> reset so that the next periodic IFR would occur two years later<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> and then the (no more than) 5 year periodic review cycle would<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> kick in again? If so, then the only concern I have is a situation<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> illustration by this possible scenario:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > - The initial 2-year periodic review happens.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > - A SIFR occurs 4 years after the initial 2-year periodic<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> review.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > - A new 2-year periodic review happens 2 years after the SIFR.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > In this case there would be six years or more between periodic<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> reviews, which would violate our intent that periodic reviews<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> occur no less frequently than five years.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> ><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > Because periodic review cover items different than in SIFRs, I<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> think we should fix this, assuming I am understanding your<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> recommendation correctly, and I think it should be easily fixable<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> with some adjustments to wording. Would a qualifier, like the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> following work: "In case an SIFR occurs close to the end of a<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> 5-year period after the last periodic review, the periodic review<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> should still occur and a 2-year periodic review should occur after<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> the 5-year periodic review."<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> ><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > I am not sure my qualifying language is the best but I at least<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> wanted to try to suggest something.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> ><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > Hope this makes sense but if it doesn't please let me know.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> ><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > Chuck<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> ><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > -----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > From: <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org">
<span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</span></a>><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</span></a>>] On Behalf Of Avri Doria<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2015 12:07 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > To: <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</span></a> <<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org</span></a>><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Transition Proposal v.3 -- Edits<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> due on<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > Sunday at 23:59 UTC<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> ><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> ><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > On a partial reread, I have the following comments.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > I do agree with Grace's comment that we are almost there.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> ><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > On 05-Jun-15 00:07, Grace Abuhamad wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >> Dear all,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >> Attached is the updated proposal. This version includes the edits<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >> listed below. *Your comments are requested and welcome until Sunday<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >> 23:59 UTC.* If you don't have time to read the whole proposal, I've<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >> highlighted specific areas in the document that require feedback.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >> * Footnote (p.65): DT-N to respond to Sidley about status of<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >> footnote<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > - i do not understand footnote 51 in the context of the current<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> report. It is a vestige of a time before we discussed the IFR in<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> detail. I think it should be removed.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> ><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >> * Section VI edits should be reviewed by CWG (Avri perhaps?)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > seems fine to me.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> ><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> ><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> ><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > --- Does Annex H need to change based on changes made in para 133<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> ><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > --- An issue we discussed but not sure we closed on.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> ><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > IFR Clock reset after any SCWG. (and understanding that we<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> could not<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > come to consensus of changing the periodicity after an SIFR)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> ><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > I think we need to reset the clock after any SCWG, no matter what<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > outcome it may select. If something was important enough to warrant<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > an SCWG, its outcome needs to be reviewed 2 years later - even<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> in case<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > of a decision of no change)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> ><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > this would require changing: 299 top row 2nd col.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> ><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >> Initially, two years, then moving to every five years<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > to<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> ><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > Initially and after an SCWG, two years, then moving to an<o:p></o:p></p>
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