<p dir="ltr">Hi,</p>
<p dir="ltr">Why would it be any more advantageous to move to PTI than leaving it where it is currently is? As already mentioned on other list, I don't see any sensible reason for doing that, hence I disagree; PTI is not independent of ICANN neither is it a known and tested entity as at today. As far as our proposal is concerned PTI is a glorified ICANN department and I don't think dealing with the child would be more assuring than dealing directly with the parent.</p>
<p dir="ltr">However there has been indication that there may be a future with divided IFO by communities, and continued access to the trademarks/domain as present would need to be ensured. This is the only reason I would support moving it to IETF trust especially if we don't think those requirement can be legally ensured with the current owner.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Cheers!</p>
<p dir="ltr">sent from Google nexus 4<br>
kindly excuse brevity and typos.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 13 Jun 2015 18:45, "Avri Doria" <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
Hi,<br>
<br>
I believe that I support the principle of separability as much as most.<br>
That is why I believe the intellectual property and the domain name<br>
should remain with the only organization whch will have repsonsiblities<br>
to all the communities (albeit some indirectly thought the parent<br>
company), i.e., PTI.<br>
<br>
I just do not see any sense in turning it over to a trust that has<br>
fiduciary responsibility to the IETF solely.<br>
<br>
avri<br>
<br>
<br>
On 13-Jun-15 12:06, Milton L Mueller wrote:<br>
>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>> As for the<br>
>> supposed contradiction you cite, first, I think this is letting<br>
>> separability be the tail that wags the dog. I generally support<br>
>> separability, but it doesn't trump looking at an issue in its own<br>
>> context.<br>
> This strikes me as a purely rhetorical retort with no substantive content.<br>
> Separability is not a "tail" but a fundamental accountability mechanism and it is unclear what you think the "dog" is here.<br>
> You'd need to explain how PTI owning something rather than just using it is more important than separability, and you haven't done that.<br>
><br>
>> (As previously noted, having PTI own the mark might make<br>
>> separability slightly easier, since it would be with other assets that<br>
>> the next IFO would need to receive in a scenario where PTI was<br>
>> relieved of its duties in favor of a third party.)<br>
> This is really, really unpersuasive. You're saying it would be easier to take the marks away from an entity that owns them than it would be for a higher-level entity (IETF Trust) to shift their use from one IFO to another. Sorry, not buying that.<br>
><br>
> I think we have different notions of what "separability" means. To me it means a community and customer-driven decision to change operators, not a decision by ICANN to move assets from one corporation to another. This means that the IPR associated with IANA needs to be held in a place that is independent of any IFO. I think that's what it means to the other operational communities too.<br>
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