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MM "<span
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who come to ICANN from the outside routinely tell me they are
overwhelmed by process details and the acronyms associated with
them, and it all seems quite meaningless to them or, at worse, a
Kafkaesque devotion to process for its own sake."<br>
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I would heartily second that. I can technically no longer claim to
be an ICANN outsider, but I still cling to the vestiges of my former
sanity...how the place functions, whose remit this is and what this
or that committee has to do is enough to drive us nuts.
Particularly because in this instance, the two committees are so
logically interdependent and we don't want to hear why they were
split....etc.<br>
Stephanie Perrin<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2015-06-16 13:05, Milton L Mueller
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Jonathan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">A
bit of a late intervention and I am about to get on a plane
to BA so it may be too late, but I think Olivier is quite
right (and if Olivier and I agree on something in CWG we
cannot fail to be right…;-) <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">People
who come to ICANN from the outside routinely tell me they
are overwhelmed by process details and the acronyms
associated with them, and it all seems quite meaningless to
them or, at worse, a Kafkaesque devotion to process for its
own sake. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Whatever
you do with the presentation, please highlight what the
proposal _<i>does</i>_ above all else; people really do not
care that the ICG was formed after consultations in
Singapore, that the enhanced accountability process was
divided into 2 workstreams in November 2014, etc., etc..
They want to know what we proposed and why.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">MM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org">mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jonathan Robinson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 11, 2015 4:58 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Jordan Carter'; 'Olivier MJ
Crepin-Leblond'<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Feedback on
First Webinar<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB">Olivier & Jordan,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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This is food for thought and agreed, we should try to
improve the materials ahead of BA if necessary. We are
working flat-out and I am sure the presentation is not
fully refined at this stage.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB">That said, we in the CWG have all come on a
journey to get to where we are now and many of those
attending the webinar haven’t been alongside us all the
way.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB">Therefore, I think we do have to do some work
to bring them along that journey in order to fully
understand how and why we got to the current place which
is a compromise for all of us.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB">I think that there is a third and critical
point. That is the role of members (and participants) to
help communicate and explain the work – journey &
output- of the group. Especially to those organisations
that put appointed members onto the CWG.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB">We need your help to communicate key points
such as outlined by Olivier below. Please do assist in
addition to helping us (chairs & staff) in our roles.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB">Jonathan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">
Jordan Carter [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz">mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 11 June 2015 08:52<br>
<b>To:</b> Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Feedback on First
Webinar<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Dear all,dear
Olivier<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">I would like to
just add my voice on the first point - it is my
assumption that these webinars are aimed mainly at
people who are coming new to the material and who will
be looking to understand what they will approve - or
not approve - in BA.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">If that assumption
is right, I do urge that the format be changed so that
the focus is on the substance of the proposal. Taking
time on the process does not seem to be the right
focus at this stage, for the audience.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">bests,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Jordan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">On 11 June 2015 at
19:42, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ocl@gih.com"
target="_blank">ocl@gih.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Hello all,<br>
<br>
First, thanks to Lise for taking us through the slide
deck and making a<br>
complex proposal a lot more understandable.<br>
Now for my comments:<br>
<br>
- We have spent again around 30 minutes on the process
reaching this<br>
point and a much smaller time on the contents of the
proposal itself. I<br>
think that by this stage we should have a lot more
detail in the actual<br>
explanation of the contents of the proposal,
describing CSC, IFR, the<br>
PTI Board, SCWG, the escalation process (there is no
slide showing all<br>
of the various levels of escalation and remedials)
from the time a<br>
complaint starts and the various levels at which the
complaint can be<br>
addressed. IMHO *this* should be the meat of the
presentation.<br>
- Questions like "what happens to PTI if another IANA
Functions Operator<br>
is selected after separation?" are bound to come up
recurrently and we<br>
completely forgot to mention that this is just the
Names and the<br>
Protocols & Numbers will likely remain with PTI
through their contract<br>
with ICANN. This is not made clear at all that an IFR
is only to do with<br>
Names.<br>
- We did not emphasize the technical nature of the
whole ecosystem and<br>
it therefore feels like a lot of these processes are
political - and<br>
this is not inspiring confidence. Emphasis on Service
Level<br>
Expectations; emphasis on Operational Continuity;
emphasis on Stability<br>
of the DNS. How are all of the processes and groups
proposed<br>
contributing to this emphasis?<br>
<br>
I hope this helps.<br>
<br>
Kind regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
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