<div dir="ltr"><div>+1 as well. Getting good clarity on the role is what is most important. IMO i care less about what name the role gets called; A plane is &quot;a plane&quot; but we all know that how they serve could differ.<br><br></div>Cheers!<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 6:31 AM, Martin Boyle <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:Martin.Boyle@nominet.org.uk" target="_blank">Martin.Boyle@nominet.org.uk</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I&#39;d note the Sidley advice that the top officer title is something that could be left to the company to decide.  I would concur, but I do recognise Avri&#39;s point below.  Let&#39;s try to keep the role clear in our mind and in this I would strongly support Donna&#39;s analysis.<br>
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From: <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of Avri Doria<br>
Sent: 16 June 2015 21:32<br>
To: <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] PTI Board Composition: IANA Managing Director<br>
<br>
Hi,<br>
<br>
I personally prefer the title &#39;Executive Director,&#39; as it it is much more symbolic of the role we expect people who lead non profits to take.  The term &#39;President&#39; has too much of the visionary builder of greater companies bound up in it meaning.<br>
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avri<br>
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On 16-Jun-15 16:23, Gomes, Chuck wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I like the sound of &#39;President Elise&#39;.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Chuck<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; *From:*<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a><br>
&gt; [mailto:<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>] *On Behalf Of *Greg Shatan<br>
&gt; *Sent:* Tuesday, June 16, 2015 2:44 PM<br>
&gt; *To:* Donna Austin<br>
&gt; *Cc:* <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>; Client<br>
&gt; *Subject:* Re: [CWG-Stewardship] PTI Board Composition: IANA Managing<br>
&gt; Director<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Most likely, Elise would get a &quot;better title&quot; and be President of PTI.<br>
&gt; That is the default title for the head of a corporation, profit or non<br>
&gt; (and sometimes even a division -- see Akram Attalah, President, Global<br>
&gt; Domains Division).  Elise wouldn&#39;t be the VP, IANA because she would<br>
&gt; no longer be a Vice President (and employee) of ICANN; instead she&#39;d<br>
&gt; be the top dog of PTI.  (I continue to push against &quot;Managing<br>
&gt; Director&quot; because it has no meaning or consistent usage in any US<br>
&gt; corporate context, except in the banking and fund world, where it has<br>
&gt; a different meaning.)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; An alternative often seen when referring to the top employee in US<br>
&gt; non-profits is &quot;Executive Director.&quot;  Subject to legal advice, that<br>
&gt; might make everyone including me happy (though I personally find<br>
&gt; President to be a more desirable and impressive title).  I&#39;m sure<br>
&gt; either President or Executive Director would provide continuity and<br>
&gt; comfort while also providing clarity as to function in a California<br>
&gt; Public Benefit Corporation.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Greg<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Donna Austin<br>
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:Donna.Austin@ariservices.com">Donna.Austin@ariservices.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:Donna.Austin@ariservices.com">Donna.Austin@ariservices.com</a>&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; From a RySG perspective, we had provided comments that supported PTI,<br>
&gt; but on the premise that this would allow the continuation and<br>
&gt; management of the IANA Department in much the same way as we know it<br>
&gt; today. That&#39;s one of the reasons we supported an &#39;insider&#39; board<br>
&gt; because we felt this was one way to maintain some semblance of the<br>
&gt; IANA Department that we know now and which provides services<br>
&gt; considered by the customers to be satisfactory..<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I may have a different view from Chuck on this, but I would think that<br>
&gt; the inclusion of the VP, IANA (currently Elise Gerich) or as &#39;IANA<br>
&gt; Managing Director&#39; if a title change is required, would make sense in<br>
&gt; ensuring continuity and also providing some level of comfort for<br>
&gt; current employees.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Thanks,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
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&gt; &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>&gt;] *On Behalf Of *Greg Shatan<br>
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&gt; *To:* Mwendwa Kivuva<br>
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&gt; *Subject:* Re: [CWG-Stewardship] PTI Board Composition: IANA Managing<br>
&gt; Director<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; PTI is supposed to be an entity controlled by ICANN; in essence, a<br>
&gt; subsidiary. This control is achieved by ICANN appointing 3 employees<br>
&gt; of ICANN or PTI. They are not supposed to be &quot;impartial&quot;; they are<br>
&gt; supposed to carry out ICANN&#39;s wishes.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; If there are 5 board members, more than one board member is clearly<br>
&gt; NOT a majority. 3 board members is a majority.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Tuesday, June 16, 2015, Mwendwa Kivuva &lt;<a href="mailto:Kivuva@transworldafrica.com">Kivuva@transworldafrica.com</a><br>
&gt; &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:Kivuva@transworldafrica.com">Kivuva@transworldafrica.com</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;     On Jun 15, 2015 10:14 PM, &quot;Greg Shatan&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a><br>
&gt;     &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;     &gt;<br>
&gt;     &gt; All:<br>
&gt;     &gt;<br>
&gt;     &gt; In the course of discussing the composition of the &quot;inside&quot;<br>
&gt;     (controlled) PTI Board, I believe we have stated that three seats<br>
&gt;     would be appointed by ICANN, with two being unspecified ICANN<br>
&gt;     employees and one being the &quot;IANA Managing Director.&quot;  I&#39;ve been<br>
&gt;     asked to clarify who this IANA Managing Director is (since this<br>
&gt;     title does not currently exist).<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;     Here is where there is a problem by having more than one ICANN<br>
&gt;     employee as a board member at PTI. It would  certainly be<br>
&gt;     difficult to maintain impartiality on issues that would have<br>
&gt;     conflict of interest, and as you can see, more than one board<br>
&gt;     member is already a majority<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
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