<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Milton L Mueller <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu" target="_blank">mueller@syr.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Lise,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">If this is the premise behind your thinking:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-GB">Likely that ICANN Legal input would be similar to the response provided by the ICANN Board, which is likely not acceptable by the other communities.
However, if this input is provided by an independent party, such as Sidley, it might be received differently.
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</span><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-GB">…I can tell you that it will not be received differently. The key point that the numbers community and many of us here in the names community have
been making is that a specific IANA Functions Operator should not be in control of the TM and domain because that undermines if not destroys the ability to switch IFOs when needed. This is an economic rather than a legal fact (please check the voluminous scientific
literature on switching costs) and it is hard to conceive of how legal advice is going to change this.</span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>FWIW, I disagree with Milton on this. If that was indeed the case then NTIA would have made sure to register the TM/IPR to another entity other than the IFO since they currently have the power to move IANA. <br><br></div><div>Nevertheless, this does not mean i am overly against move to IETF, i am just not in agreement with the rationale you stated above.<br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US"><div><div style="border-width:medium medium medium 1.5pt;border-style:none none none solid;border-color:-moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color blue;padding:0in 0in 0in 4pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-GB"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-GB">The position of ICANN’s board is a familiar one: it is “trust us.” If “trust us” were an acceptable answer to the many accountability issues we are
facing, we could all take a nice rest and avoid a lot of the institutional design and reform problems we are trying to solve. Here again, I don’t see how expensive legal advice is going to alter the nature of or reception given to ICANN’s board response. It
is not about trust; it is about robust and well-designed institutional arrangements.
</span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I think its beyond just trust as it concerns IANA TM/IPR as its more on legal agreement. Which is currently the case at the moment. It will again require adding a few lines in the agreement of the respective operational communities requiring ICANN to comply.<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US"><div><div style="border-width:medium medium medium 1.5pt;border-style:none none none solid;border-color:-moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color blue;padding:0in 0in 0in 4pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-GB"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-GB">I agree with Greg that this CWG should not be pressured to “go along to get along,” but fundamentally, these are issues for the CWG to debate and
resolve as a matter of policy – there is no room for legal advice unless you know what you want to do with the TMs. </span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>+1 on this<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US"><div><div style="border-width:medium medium medium 1.5pt;border-style:none none none solid;border-color:-moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color blue;padding:0in 0in 0in 4pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-GB">People who think ICANN should control the TMs and domain need to tell the rest of the community why that is not an obstacle to separability
and what happens when there is a change of IFOs.</span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Please refer to my comment above.<br><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US"><div><div style="border-width:medium medium medium 1.5pt;border-style:none none none solid;border-color:-moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color blue;padding:0in 0in 0in 4pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-GB"> That is not fundamentally a legal question. Once you have a specific idea as to how to reconcile separability and control of the TMs and domain by ICANN, then and only then can you can ask for legal advice about
whether that idea is feasible. The idea that the lawyers are going to be able to resolve a very critical policy debate is just wrong.
</span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I agree on this as well..<br><br></div><div>Regards <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US"><div><div style="border-width:medium medium medium 1.5pt;border-style:none none none solid;border-color:-moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color blue;padding:0in 0in 0in 4pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-GB"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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