<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"><base href="x-msg://72/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; min-height: 14px; ">Good afternoon:</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; ">With regard to the proposal relating to the IPR associated with IANA, may I make the following observations and suggestions:</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; ">(a) the status quo has a good deal of support among the community. The prospect of transferring any IPR anywhere in present circumstances probably does not enjoy broad community consensus.</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; ">(b) Regarding the proposed alternatives:</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; ">-<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>transferring any IPR to PTI at this stage appears hazardous. That entity does not even exist as yet. </div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; ">-<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>To the best of my knowledge, the IETF Trust is but a shadow of the Internet Society itself, which already holds IPR on behalf of IETF. (I am sure that a more precise account would be forthcoming from ISOC, Reston.)</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; "><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>However, it would seem to me that, transferring IANA IPR to ISOC, would be perceived in the rest of the community as giving disproportionate weight to the Protocol community,</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; "> <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>whereas it is the Names and the Numbers who are actually most directly concerned by the day-to-day operation of IANA.</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; ">( c) <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>the question of transferring IANA IPR has arisen as a by-product of the argument about separating IANA from ICANN now, or in the future. Having followed that debate with some care, I conclude that option does not benefit from broad community support. Indeed, separating IANA from ICANN, <i>a fortiori </i>disaggregating IANA among the three users would require significant stress-testing of the proposition, in and of itself.</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; ">(d)<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>As I have pointed out on previous occasions, all those SO and AC who are primarily concerned with global oversight, transparency and fair conditions of competition, could not logically endorse separation or disaggregation as that would unduly and excessively augment the costs of necessary oversight.</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; ">Regards</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; ">CW</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div><div>On 21 Jul 2015, at 14:12, Jonathan Robinson <<a href="mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info">jrobinson@afilias.info</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-IE" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">All,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Following on from the Client Committee and CWG meetings on 9 July, the quote below was received. The Client Committee has reviewed this quote and now proposes to instruct Sidley to commence with this work as soon as possible.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Please note that the ICG is moving rapidly towards publication of its work for public comment and, if the CWG is to provide informed and effective input on the “IPR Issue”, we do need Sidley’s input and advice to us as soon as possible.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Thank-you,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Jonathan & Lise<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Flanagan, Sharon [mailto:sflanagan@<a href="http://sidley.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">sidley.com</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>18 July 2015 09:33<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:cwg-client@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">cwg-client@icann.org</a>; Jonathan Robinson; 'Lise Fuhr'; Grace Abuhamad; Marika Konings<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Gregory, Holly; Hofheimer, Joshua T.<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>RE: Request for a quote on two tasks<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Dear All,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">With respect to Item #1 below, we would expect the stress test and assessment of the IPR issue under the three scenarios below would require approximately $35,000-40,000 of legal work. This would be for our analysis and review and would not include time spent on follow up calls or iterations of the document.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Please let us know if you have any questions.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Sharon<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">SHARON</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">FLANAGAN</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><br>Partner<br><br></span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Sidley Austin LLP</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><br></span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">+1.415.772.1271<br><a href="mailto:sflanagan@sidley.com" title="Click to send email to Flanagan, Sharon" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">sflanagan@sidley.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Lise Fuhr [<a href="mailto:lise.fuhr@difo.dk" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:lise.fuhr@difo.dk</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, July 14, 2015 6:58 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Flanagan, Sharon<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Jonathan Robinson; Grace Abuhamad; Marika Konings;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:cwg-client@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">cwg-client@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Request for a quote on two tasks<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang="EN-US"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang="EN-GB">Dear Sharon,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt 36pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang="EN-GB">As we talked about during the Client Committee call last Thursday, we have discussed with the CWG Sidley's eventual advice regarding two issues – IPR and a matrix of the bylaws. The CWG agreed to request Sidley to give an estimate of the hours needed in order to perform the two tasks:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt 72pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: -18pt; "><span lang="EN-GB"><span>1.<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span lang="EN-GB">IPR - To conduct a stress-test approach regarding the IANA IPR issue. This includes four aspects:<br><br>a. Sidley should consult with ICANN Legal in order to obtain further insight and background to the IPR issue. This can be done with the involvement of other members of the CWG – like the Client Committee. Furthermore CWG is considering involving other communities in this fact-gathering exercise.<br><br>b. There appear to be three possible scenarios. IANA’s IPR either:<br>(i) stays with ICANN; (ii) goes to PTI; or (iii) goes into trust (IETF, mutual trust).<o:p></o:p></span></p><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 72pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang="EN-GB">c. What risks exist with each approach from a CWG-Stewardship perspective. These need to be evaluated in view of ICANN's position and the proposal from the other communities to determine what is optimal and/or acceptable.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>d. There are 3 trademarks involved: (i) "Internet Assigned Numbers Authority," (ii) "IANA", and (iii) the IANA Logo, which consists of IANA in stylized letters plus Internet Assigned Numbers Authority.<o:p></o:p></span></div><p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt 72pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 72pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: -18pt; "><span lang="EN-GB"><span>2.<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span lang="EN-GB">Matrix of the ICANN bylaws:<br><br>Create a matrix to help determine where the bylaws that are needed in relation to the CWG proposal belong. Identify which bylaws Sidley would suggest that the CWG should draft (be in charge of having drafted), and which bylaws drafted by the CCWG need to be signed off by the CWG. There will be a part of the bylaws that are being prepared by the CCWG that have no direct relationship to the CWG's work and these constitute a third category.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang="EN-GB">After receiving the quote, the Client Committee will evaluate the estimates of the two tasks and get back to you.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang="EN-GB">If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to get back to me.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang="EN-GB">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang="EN-GB">Lise<o:p></o:p></span></div><p class="031db9fc-ed3a-4508-a4a8-419ac434cf70" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US">****************************************************************************************************<br>This e-mail is sent by a law firm and may contain information that is privileged or confidential.<br>If you are not the intended recipient, please delete the e-mail and any attachments and notify us<br>immediately.<br><br>****************************************************************************************************<o:p></o:p></span></p></div>_______________________________________________<br>CWG-Stewardship mailing list<br><a href="mailto:CWG-Stewardship@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">CWG-Stewardship@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship</a><br></div></blockquote></div><br></body></html>