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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>All,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thank you for your feedback. I agree with Jonathan, we tried to use the wording from CRISP response. And I would like to echo that we will work with the feedback received and ensure consistency with CRISP proposal and the CWG position.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Lise<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=DA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Fra:</span></b><span lang=DA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org] <b>På vegne af </b>Jonathan Robinson<br><b>Sendt:</b> 27. august 2015 16:58<br><b>Til:</b> 'Greg Shatan'; 'Mueller, Milton L'<br><b>Cc:</b> cwg-stewardship@icann.org<br><b>Emne:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] CWG Position on IANA IPR<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>All,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Confirmed, the intent here was to use the EXACT wording from the CRISP response with the primary motivation to ensure coherence between the respective positions, but an obvious benefit was also to avoid the need for substantial discussion of the nuances of the CWG position.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>It now seems clear that we may need a fix to the draft language which retains both consistency with the CRISP proposal and the integrity of the CWG position to date. Lise and I can work on that based on the feedback received.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jonathan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Greg Shatan [<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> 27 August 2015 15:34<br><b>To:</b> Mueller, Milton L <<a href="mailto:milton.mueller@pubpolicy.gatech.edu">milton.mueller@pubpolicy.gatech.edu</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Seun Ojedeji <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>>; Jonathan Robinson <<a href="mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info">jrobinson@afilias.info</a>>; <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] CWG Position on IANA IPR<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>I don't see the relationship you offer. The CRISP rationale refers to non-discriminatory use, whatever that means, not non-discriminatory transfer. In any event, we never discussed this statement, much less the relationship between the statement and separability.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>I think Jonathan was just trying to work with the CRISP verbiage when he drafted the statement, which accounts for the reference to the Numbering Services Operator and to this non-discriminatory use clause. In both cases, they do not reflect the thinking of our community and should be dropped, so we can move on. Insistance on including this unexplored clause would be a filibuster and a distortion of the basis for the CWG's non-objection to the minimum requirement.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Greg<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Greg<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE>On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Mueller, Milton L <<a href="mailto:milton.mueller@pubpolicy.gatech.edu" target="_blank">milton.mueller@pubpolicy.gatech.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Greg Shatan [mailto:<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>] </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>We did not come to consensus on a particular rationale. To the extent we discussed one, we spent most of the time discussing separability concerns, i.e., that ICANN would not relinquish use and/or ownership of the trademarks and domain names in the event one or more operational communities chose a different IANA operator.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>MM: Separability concerns are closely related to nondiscriminatory use. When would discrimination become an issue? Only when or if there is a change in IFO away from ICANN. </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>This is consistent with the protocol parameter community's "non-objection" stance as well.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>MM: The protocol community asked all parties to acknowledge that the protocol parameter registries are in the public domain, and that ICANN would cooperate to ensure a smooth transition. The NTIA IFO contract does not recognize trademarks and domains as a potential obstacle to a smooth transition, but this is an oversight rather than an implication that they are not. </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>If we want to discuss the substance of this rationale and the other rationale offered by the Numbers community, we can do so, and I'll make my opinions known. But I don't think it is necessary for us to respond to the ICG, and there's no need for us to do more than necessary.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>MM: I think this is a filibuster. </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></body></html>