<div dir="ltr"><div>Hello Jonathan,<br><br></div>A few comments inline and please note that i am speaking within the scope of names in relation to PTI (which is not the entire PTI scope)<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Jonathan Robinson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info" target="_blank">jrobinson@afilias.info</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" lang="EN-IE"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">All, <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">We have received a direct request (see below) from the CCWG Accountability Co-Chairs for further guidance with respect to the application of the IRP to the actions (or inactions) of PTI.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Moreover, we have had input from Sidley via the Client Committee as follows:<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">“Sidley spoke with Becky Burr from CCWG today regarding the CWG dependency for an IRP process. Based on the call, it appears that the open question for CWG is whether the CWG dependency is adequately met with an ICANN bylaw provision that allows for an IRP if ICANN fails to enforce the contract with PTI (for example, due to a material performance breach by PTI that is not cured) – or whether in addition to such an ICANN bylaw, a separate process is also required that would give direct customers a right to mediation or arbitration to address SLAs or other service issues. If the latter is required, then in order for CCWG to create such a process, it would need input from CWG on what the standard of review should be for those types of proceedings and what the type of process would be – for example, would non-binding mediation be sufficient to address a direct customer issue or would binding arbitration be required? By clarifying this point, CCWG will be better positioned to ensure that the CWG dependency is being met in the CCWG proposal.”<u></u><u></u></span></i></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">So the essential question is:<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p><u></u><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US"><span>A.<span style="font:7pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">Is an ICANN bylaw provision that allows for an IRP if ICANN fails to enforce the contract with PTI (for example, due to a material performance breach by PTI that is not cured) sufficient?</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div>SO: First i like to say this scenario is really an extreme but since we are addressing extremes, I will try to attempt a response. I believe what is stated above should be sufficient. I really don't know what we mean by "ICANN fails to enforce the contract" if ICANN perhaps because PTI (is her baby) decides to close its eyes on some PTI's actions/inactions that violates contractual requirements, and after going through the escalation process (including access to an IRP by the customer) then it logically means the next level escalation will be triggered (which i believe is to call for an IFR). I don't think an independent IRP will further help resolves anything in that case.<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" lang="EN-IE"><div><p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">OR<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p><u></u><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span>B.<span style="font:7pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">In addition to such an ICANN bylaw, is a separate process also required that would give direct customers a right to mediation or arbitration to address SLAs or other service issues? </span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></blockquote><div>There will be(/are) 3 main customers of PTI, in this case ICANN (representing names), numbers and protocol (even though the duo will contract directly with ICANN). If by "direct" we mean ccTLD and gTLD operators then i don't think it will make any difference on whether the IRP is separate from the one enabled by the bylaw. Each of such customers signed contract with ICANN and when PTI does not meet their expectation(after exhausting the escalation options set within PTI including that of the CSC), then the customer may take it up to the next level using the ICANN IRP. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Overall, i think it will be neater and easier to use the first option unless there is a strong reason why the proposed CCWG IRP would not be able to meet up (perhaps on experience reasons) and i believe its consistent with the CWG requirement which i quote below:<br><br>"....An appeal mechanism, for example in the form of an <b>Independent Review Panel</b>, for issues relating to the IANA functions. For example, direct customers with non-remediated issues or matters referred by ccNSO or GNSO after escalation by the CSC will have <b>access</b> to an Independent Review Panel........"<br><br></div><div>Regards <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" lang="EN-IE"><div><p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">If B above, what type of process is necessary?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">As discussed in our CWG meeting yesterday, it will be particularly helpful if when responding to the above, you provide a rationale for your response.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">In addition, if possible, please make reference to (and be consistent with) the prior work of this CWG Stewardship (such as our proposal in response to the RFP from the ICG).<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Given that the request from the CCWG Co-Chairs indicates their need to close this item by 28 January, we need to discuss this soon. Accordingly, we request that you provide input ASAP and, in any event, <u>by 23h59 UTC Monday 25 January 2016</u>.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Thank-you,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><br>Jonathan & Lise<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Co-chairs, CWG Stewardship<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:rgb(225,225,225) -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color;padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"> Alice Jansen [mailto:<a href="mailto:alice.jansen@icann.org" target="_blank">alice.jansen@icann.org</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> 21 January 2016 17:05<br><b>To:</b> Lise Fuhr <<a href="mailto:Fuhr@etno.eu" target="_blank">Fuhr@etno.eu</a>>; Jonathan Robinson <<a href="mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info" target="_blank">jrobinson@afilias.info</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Mathieu Weill <<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr" target="_blank">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>>; Thomas Rickert <<a href="mailto:thomas@rickert.net" target="_blank">thomas@rickert.net</a>>; León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <<a href="mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx" target="_blank">leonfelipe@sanchez.mx</a>>; Grace Abuhamad <<a href="mailto:grace.abuhamad@icann.org" target="_blank">grace.abuhamad@icann.org</a>>; <a href="mailto:acct-staff@icann.org" target="_blank">acct-staff@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> CCWG-ACCT Request for Guidance on PTI - IRP<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Avenir;color:black">Sent on behalf of CCWG-Accountability Co-Chairs</span></u><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Avenir;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Avenir;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Avenir;color:black">Dear Lise, Dear Jonathan,<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Avenir;color:black">This is to inform you that further to our call #79, the CCWG-ACCT seeks the CWG-Stewardship’s guidance on the two proposed approaches that were suggested to address the dependency that relates to PTI compliance through the Independent Review Process (IRP) i.e.: <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt"><u></u><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Avenir;color:black"><span>1.<span style="font:7pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Avenir;color:black">Provide direct access to IRP for PTI action or inaction;<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt"><u></u><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Avenir;color:black"><span>2.<span style="font:7pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Avenir;color:black">Oblige ICANN in Bylaws to ensure PTI compliance, in which case failure to do is covered by IRP.<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Avenir;color:black">We are currently in the final stages of discussion to issue our supplemental report and would need to close this item by 28 January. Any prompt feedback you could send us would be much appreciated. <u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Avenir;color:black">We look forward to your guidance.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Avenir;color:black">Thank you<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Avenir;color:black">Best regards<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Avenir;color:black">Mathieu, Thomas, León<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
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