<div dir="ltr"><div>Thanks for the examples Chuck. If I may ask, considering that the examples you stated may have happened under the current arrangement, do you or any other person knows how such is resolved presently? secondly, is NTIA involved in any of the resolution process?<br><br></div>Regards<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Gomes, Chuck <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" target="_blank">cgomes@verisign.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Let me give a few examples where I think that the IRP would be applicable:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><span>1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">A gTLD is not delegated as requested by a registry operator without appropriate justification.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><span>2.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Modification to a zone file record for a gTLD is not made without proper justification.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><span>3.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">SLEs are not met after applicable procedures are followed.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I think that we have recommended processes that would hopefully solve problems like the above well before an IRP would be needed, but it those processes do
not work in a timely manner, then an IRP would provide an objective and well-defined option for an appeal. I think the affected registry operator, the RySG or the GNSO should all have standing to use the IRP in cases like the above if needed. The RySG in
its comments over the history of the CWG Stewardship has repeatedly emphasized the need for registry operators to be able to appeal IANA decisions that they believe are contrary to policy.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I suspect that others could come up with other examples.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Chuck<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Matthew Shears<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 25, 2016 8:14 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info" target="_blank">jrobinson@afilias.info</a>; <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] CCWG-ACCT Request for Guidance on PTI - IRP - Please respond by 23h59 UTC Monday 25 January 2016<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Would it be useful to try and list the possible situations where recourse to an appeals mechanism would be used? This might give us a better sense of what type of mechanism would be suited and whether or not
the IRP would be appropriate/adequate?<br>
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Matthew<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 22/01/2016 12:33, Jonathan Robinson wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">All,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">We have received a direct request (see below) from the CCWG Accountability Co-Chairs for further guidance with respect to the application of the IRP to the
actions (or inactions) of PTI.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Moreover, we have had input from Sidley via the Client Committee as follows:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">“Sidley spoke with Becky Burr from CCWG today regarding the CWG dependency for an IRP process. Based on the call, it appears that the open question for
CWG is whether the CWG dependency is adequately met with an ICANN bylaw provision that allows for an IRP if ICANN fails to enforce the contract with PTI (for example, due to a material performance breach by PTI that is not cured) – or whether in addition
to such an ICANN bylaw, a separate process is also required that would give direct customers a right to mediation or arbitration to address SLAs or other service issues. If the latter is required, then in order for CCWG to create such a process, it would
need input from CWG on what the standard of review should be for those types of proceedings and what the type of process would be – for example, would non-binding mediation be sufficient to address a direct customer issue or would binding arbitration be required?
By clarifying this point, CCWG will be better positioned to ensure that the CWG dependency is being met in the CCWG proposal.”</span></i><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">So the essential question is:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">A.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1f497d">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Is an ICANN bylaw provision that allows for an IRP if ICANN fails to enforce the contract with PTI (for example, due to a material performance breach by PTI that is not cured)
sufficient?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">OR</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">B.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1f497d">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">In addition to such an ICANN bylaw, is a separate process also required that would give direct customers a right to mediation or arbitration to address SLAs or other service
issues? </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">If B above, what type of process is necessary?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">As discussed in our CWG meeting yesterday, it will be particularly helpful if when responding to the above, you provide a rationale for your response.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">In addition, if possible, please make reference to (and be consistent with) the prior work of this CWG Stewardship (such as our proposal in response to the
RFP from the ICG).</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Given that the request from the CCWG Co-Chairs indicates their need to close this item by 28 January, we need to discuss this soon. Accordingly, we request
that you provide input ASAP and, in any event, <u>by 23h59 UTC Monday 25 January 2016</u>.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Thank-you,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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Jonathan & Lise</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Co-chairs, CWG Stewardship</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Alice Jansen [<a href="mailto:alice.jansen@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:alice.jansen@icann.org</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> 21 January 2016 17:05<br>
<b>To:</b> Lise Fuhr <a href="mailto:Fuhr@etno.eu" target="_blank"><Fuhr@etno.eu></a>; Jonathan Robinson
<a href="mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info" target="_blank"><jrobinson@afilias.info></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Mathieu Weill <a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr" target="_blank"><mathieu.weill@afnic.fr></a>; Thomas Rickert
<a href="mailto:thomas@rickert.net" target="_blank"><thomas@rickert.net></a>; León Felipe Sánchez Ambía
<a href="mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx" target="_blank"><leonfelipe@sanchez.mx></a>; Grace Abuhamad
<a href="mailto:grace.abuhamad@icann.org" target="_blank"><grace.abuhamad@icann.org></a>; <a href="mailto:acct-staff@icann.org" target="_blank">
acct-staff@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> CCWG-ACCT Request for Guidance on PTI - IRP</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Avenir">Sent on behalf of CCWG-Accountability Co-Chairs</span></u><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Avenir">Dear Lise, Dear Jonathan,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Avenir">This is to inform you that further to our call #79, the CCWG-ACCT seeks the CWG-Stewardship’s guidance on the two proposed approaches that were suggested to address the dependency that relates
to PTI compliance through the Independent Review Process (IRP) i.e.: </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Avenir">1.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Avenir">Provide direct access to IRP for PTI action or inaction;</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Avenir">2.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Avenir">Oblige ICANN in Bylaws to ensure PTI compliance, in which case failure to do is covered by IRP.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Avenir">We are currently in the final stages of discussion to issue our supplemental report and would need to close this item by 28 January. Any prompt feedback you could send us would be much appreciated. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Avenir">We look forward to your guidance.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Avenir">Thank you</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Avenir">Mathieu, Thomas, León</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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