<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>Hello James,<br><br></div>No idea how my comment would be seen as proposing a fundamental change. I will make an attempt to summarize some of my points with 2 questions; Hopefully you can tell me which of them imply changing the CWG proposal<br><br></div>1. Is it the intent of the CWG's proposal that any CSC charter update and approval be done by ccNSO and GNSO alone?<br></div>2. Since CSC charter would be referenced in the bylaw, is it the intent of the CWG's proposal that any update to that referenced document should not follow the normal bylaw change process?<br><br></div><div>Would appreciate a simple Yes or No to the questions. If yes, i will like that you provide reference to the section of the CWG proposal that clearly indicates such intent (principle).<br><br></div>Regards<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 7:16 AM, James Gannon <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net" target="_blank">james@cyberinvasion.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span><<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of "Austin, Donna" <<a href="mailto:Donna.Austin@neustar.biz" target="_blank">Donna.Austin@neustar.biz</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Tuesday 2 February 2016 at 11:45 p.m.<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Seun Ojedeji <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>>, Jonathan Robinson <<a href="mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info" target="_blank">jrobinson@afilias.info</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>"<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>><div><div class="h5"><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Update & Planning for Feb 4th Meeting of CWG<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Hi Seun<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">As the lead of the DT for the CSC, I’ve responded to your related questions inline below.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I would also welcome input from Martin who was also a member of the DT for the CSC.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Donna<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 2 February 2016 11:30 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jonathan Robinson <<a href="mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info" target="_blank">jrobinson@afilias.info</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Update & Planning for Feb 4th Meeting of CWG<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p>Hello,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Thanks for the share, did a quick read and have a few general comments/question:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:18.0pt"><span style="color:#1f497d"><span>1.<span style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman'">
</span></span></span>Isn't there a way to have the CSC charter separate and not incorporated into the bylaw as the bylaw is looking quite bulky. That said, I note that it's referred to as Annex D so I assume that is perhaps the only reference
that would exist in the bylaw?<span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">DA COMMENT: I believe this is up for discussion of CWG members. While I think that it makes sense to have the existence of the CSC contained in the bylaws, the charter itself
could simply be referenced, particularly given it is envisioned that the Charter would be reviewed on a somewhat regular basis.
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<p style="margin-left:18.0pt"><span>2.<span style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman'">
</span></span>I believe any change in the CSC charter should involved other chartering SO/AC not just be based on the ccNSO and GNSO decision.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">DA COMMENT: The mission of the CSC is to ensure continued satisfactory performance of the IANA Function for the direct customers of the naming services. The primary role of the
CSC is to monitor the performance of the IANA naming function against agreed service level targets on a regular basis. It was the view of the DT that as the direct customers of the naming services came from the ccNSO and GNSO, that any changes to the Charter
should only be ratified by those SOs. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">The Charter does provide for input from all ICANN stakeholders through the provision of a public comment period associated with an initial review of the Charter to be conducted
by representatives of the ccNSO and RySG after one year of the first meeting of the CSC. Any recommended changes are to be ratified by the ccNSO and GNSO.
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">The Charter also provides that “… thereafter, the Charter will be reviewed at the request of the CSC, ccNSO or GNSO and may also be reviewed in connection with the IANA Function
Review.” <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">The Charter is currently silent on how any future reviews should be conducted and it may make sense that any review requested by the CSC, ccNSO or GNSO follow the same form as
the initial review in that it be conducted by representatives of the ccNSO and RySG and that the “… review is to include the opportunity for input from other ICANN stakeholders, via a Public Comment process.”
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I believe that any review of the CSC Charter conducted in connection with the IANA Function Review has a separate process.
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<p style="margin-left:18.0pt"><span>3.<span style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman'">
</span></span>The CCWG proposed process to approve update of any text in the bylaw (including CSC charter) should be applied. So I think the charter update(depending on whether this will be standard or fundamental bylaw) should be subject to board
approval.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">DA comment: The DT did not believe that Board approval was required for a change to the CSC Charter and I do not support any suggestion that this be changed at this time.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p>4. Some of the decision making does not recognise other community like ALAC as part of the decision makers. For instance the decision process for SCWG.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>5. Could it be indicated which of the texts goes to fundamental bylaw and which one to standard?<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Regards<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2 Feb 2016 6:21 p.m., "Jonathan Robinson" <<a href="mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info" target="_blank">jrobinson@afilias.info</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">A couple of updates since our previous meeting and ahead of our meeting on Thursday Feb 4 @ 16h00 UTC.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">We are waiting for the final wording from CWG Accountability in relation to our requirements on IANA Budget and IRP but now expect that these will be satisfactorily
dealt with.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">As per Grace’s note on the CCWG agenda for their meeting today, these matters were subject to “final reading” by the CCWG today.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">On the series of questions presented by Sidley in preparation for drafting the proposed ICANN Bylaws to deal with the work of the CWG Stewardship, Grace’s email
of Jan 25 sought further input from our group.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">Essentially we have:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-IE">a.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt" lang="EN-IE"> </span>
<span lang="EN-IE">Input from relevant DT leads (Thank-you!)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-IE">b.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt" lang="EN-IE"> </span>
<span lang="EN-IE">Input from staff<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-IE">c.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt" lang="EN-IE"> </span>
<span lang="EN-IE">Remaining open questions<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">Any input to point c above will be helpful.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">The plan (as per our last meeting and captured in Grace’s email of Jan 25)
</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black" lang="EN-IE">was to review and provide input so that responses can be provided to Sidley after the Feb 4 Call.</span><span lang="EN-IE"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black" lang="EN-IE">This work to be done via the mailing list by using the ‘track changes’ feature in Word. Staff will monitor the list and manage
version control if needed. </span><span lang="EN-IE"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black" lang="EN-IE">If there are outstanding issues, or disagreement on a response, this can be discussed further at the next meeting. </span><span lang="EN-IE"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black" lang="EN-IE"> </span><span lang="EN-IE"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:red" lang="EN-IE">If you are able to review the document (re-attached for convenience) and provide any input over the next 24 hours or so,
that will be very helpful.</span></u><span lang="EN-IE"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black" lang="EN-IE"> </span><span lang="EN-IE"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black" lang="EN-IE">Thank-you,</span><span lang="EN-IE"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black" lang="EN-IE">Jonathan & Lise</span><span lang="EN-IE"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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