<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">The carve-out language is limited to discussion of PDPs. Not every WG is a PDP WG. Unless we want to expand this limitation, any revision needs to carry on this limitation. The reference to a "joint PDP" is specifically in the context of the results of a policy development process developed by two or more supporting organizations. Here's the paragraph under discussion:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><i><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">Notwithstanding
the foregoing and notwithstanding any required threshold for launching a
community IRP, no community IRP that challenges the result(s) of a supporting
organization’s policy development process (PDP) may be launched without the support of the supporting
organization that developed such PDP or, in the case of joint PDPs, without the
support of the supporting organizations that developed such PDP.</span></i><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">The language in the latter part is kind of clumsy. "Joint PDP" is an awkward shorthand for a PDP WG chartered by more than one SO -- not one where there underlying policy development process was jointly developed by multiple SOs (which doesn't exist). In turn, it refers to a challenge to the "results" of the PDP, not really to the PDP itself. For clarity, I would suggest the following:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><i><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">Notwithstanding
the foregoing and notwithstanding any required threshold for launching a
community IRP, no community IRP that challenges the result(s) of a supporting
organization’s policy development process (PDP) may be launched without the support of the supporting
organization that developed such PDP or, in the case of the result(s) of a PDP working group chartered by more than one supporting organization, without the
support of such supporting organizations.</span></i><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">In any event, this discussion of the "joint PDP" language may be out of scope for CWG-Stewardship. As such, this comment should be referred back to CCWG-Accountability for its review and consideration.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Seun Ojedeji <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">That would have done the trick but if the intent is to only cover SOs then using cross community WG may broaden the scope beyond supporting organisations.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Should we say ‘cross community WG’ instead of ‘joint PDP’?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Chuck<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Seun Ojedeji [mailto:<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, February 06, 2016 1:39 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Gomes, Chuck<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Grace Abuhamad; <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [CWG-Stewardship] CCWG Update<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p>Thanks Chuck, in that case there may be need to remove the section referring to "joint PDP" in the document.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>I still have one more pending question on the "IRP subgroup" as I can't seem to figure out who those are, neither can I find a definition for such.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Cheers!<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 6 Feb 2016 3:04 p.m., "Gomes, Chuck" <<a href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" target="_blank">cgomes@verisign.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Seun,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I don’t think there is such a thing as a joint PDP but there are joint WGs. There is a cross community
working group that has been deliberating for a couple years to develop recommendations for cross community working groups. I am not in the WG but I believe that they are leaning toward recommending the process that has been used in cross community WGs to
date, i.e., that it is up to each supporting organization to decide whether they support any policy recommendations. Here’s a link to WG site:
<a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/active/cross-community" target="_blank">
http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/active/cross-community</a> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Chuck</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Seun Ojedeji [mailto:<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 05, 2016 1:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Gomes, Chuck<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>; Grace Abuhamad<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] CCWG Update</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p>+1 to Chuck suggested modification. Minor question/comment:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Section 4 of Annex 7 "...or, in the case of joint PDPs, without the support of the supporting organizations that developed such PDP.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Considering that we are speaking in the context of names (and considering that the ccNSO has some level of independence policy wise?) Are there example of PDPs/policies developed by both the GNSO and ccNSO (since the ASO would be out of context here)? and
secondly is there a definition of joint PDP somewhere?<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>The "standing" section refers to "IRP Subgroup", may I know who those are and where they are defined?<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Regards<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 5 Feb 2016 5:42 p.m., "Gomes, Chuck" <<a href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" target="_blank">cgomes@verisign.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">In the 2<sup>nd</sup> Reading Conclusions, item 1.a.iii.1 says: “</span>ICANN should consider modification
of Registry Agreements with gTLD Operators to expand scope of arbitration available thereunder to cover PTI service complaints.<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">” It seems to me that the wording should be stronger:
“</span>ICANN <span style="background:yellow">must modify</span> Registry Agreements with gTLD Operators to expand scope of arbitration available thereunder to cover PTI service complaints.<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">”</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I think the same change should be made later in the document when this sentence occurs again.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Chuck</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Grace Abuhamad<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 04, 2016 5:18 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [CWG-Stewardship] CCWG Update</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Today the CCWG-Accountability published its latest version of its recommendations on the IRP. Please
see attached for text, and provide any comments you may have. As noted in the email below: </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">This version has been generated from the conclusion of the third reading document and includes the modification required by the CWG for PTI and has been reviewed by Becky Burr.</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">As such you will find attached 3 versions, Word and PDF red lined as well as a clean PDF version given the markups are extensive in some sections.</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Once this legal review is completed
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<b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black;background:yellow">20:00 </span></b><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black;background:yellow"> UTC Saturday)</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">, results of the review will be published on this list,
a final version will be generated and posted for final CCWG comments.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">I have highlighted the deadline above since it is important for the CWG to follow this timeline as
well. Considering the time pressure that the CCWG is under, we should do our best to not delay them further. If you are able to post on the CCWG list directly, that would be more efficient for them. Otherwise, I will work with the co-Chairs to transfer the
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Grace</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><<a href="mailto:acct-staff-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">acct-staff-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Bernard Turcotte <<a href="mailto:turcotte.bernard@gmail.com" target="_blank">turcotte.bernard@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, February 4, 2016 at 2:45 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Accountability Cross Community <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>>, ACCT-Staff <<a href="mailto:acct-staff@icann.org" target="_blank">acct-staff@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Acct-Staff] CCWG - Recommendation 7 - Final draft version for legal review</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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by the CWG for PTI and has been reviewed by Becky Burr.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">UTC Saturday), results of the review will be published on this list, a final version will be generated and posted for
final CCWG comments.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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