<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">You are mistaken. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">The GNSO consists of the Registries Stakeholder Group, the Registrars Stakeholder Group, the Commercial and Business Users Constituency, the Intellectual Property Constituency, the Internet Service Providers and Connectivity Providers Constituency (the last three being parts of the Commercial Stakeholders Group), and the Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (which includes the Non-Commercial Users Constituency, the Not-for-Profit Operational Concerns Constituency and some members not affiliated with a constituency). Your statements belittle the remainder of the GNSO and denigrate the credibility of the GNSO as a multistakeholder organization. Which may have been your intent. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">On the other hand, there may be at least a grain of truth, unfortunately, in your statements. A discussion of the extent to which your statements are true would be quite interesting, but off-topic here (on-topic, however, for CCWG-Accountability WS2, SO/AC Accountability; and possibly would have been on-topic for the misbegotten "GNSO Review").</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg Shatan</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">IPC President (but writing in my personal capacity)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"> </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 2:22 PM, Christopher Wilkinson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu" target="_blank">lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Good evening:<div><br></div><div>May I suggest that there seems to be an element of duplication, if not double counting in this proposal.</div><div><br></div><div>The Registries Stakeholder Group is the principal element of the GNSO. I do not see the point of consulting with RSG as well as GNSO.</div><div>It amounts to the same thing, if I am not mistaken.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div><br></div><div>CW</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div><div class="h5"><div>On 18 Apr 2016, at 16:53, Jonathan Robinson <<a href="mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info" target="_blank">jrobinson@afilias.info</a>> wrote:</div><br></div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-IE" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div><div><div class="h5"><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">All,<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Please see below for a further bylaws point raised via the client committee.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">We have discussed it on list in the client committee and Lise & myself have discussed in person.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">It is our view to accept the edit proposed below i.e.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US">“to ensure performance of those IANA functions and PTI in the future<span> </span><span style="background-color:yellow;background-position:initial initial;background-repeat:initial initial">is not interrupted due to lack of funding</span>”</span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">And to retain the highlighted language in square brackets i.e.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US">consult with the Supporting Organizations and Advisory Committees<span style="background-color:yellow;background-position:initial initial;background-repeat:initial initial">[, as well as the Registries Stakeholder Group, the IAB and RIRs,</span>]</span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Please highlight any concerns with this and/or flag if this will be further considered by DT-O.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Thank-you,<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Lise & Jonathan<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></div><div><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-color:rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"><span> </span>Flanagan, Sharon [mailto:<a href="mailto:sflanagan@" target="_blank">sflanagan@</a><a href="http://sidley.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">sidley.com</a>]<span> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span> </span>18 April 2016 01:33<br><b>To:</b><span> </span>Client Committee <<a href="mailto:cwg-client@icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">cwg-client@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span> </span>[client com] ICANN Bylaws on Budget - DT-O Input Needed<u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Dear All,</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">ICANN Legal is proposing the following edits to Sections 22.4 and 22.5 and Annex F. Can DT-O confirm these edits are acceptable or identify any concerns? We thought #1 and #2 looked ok; however, we understand “uninterrupted” was discussed by DT-O. ICANN Legal explained their concern with “uninterrupted” below: <u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt">“Uninterrupted could be read to signal a technical SLA that the minute to minute (or second to second) performance of IANA functions will always be “uninterrupted”. While that is clearly what our team strives for (and we do not have complaints as far as I’m aware of regarding our performance levels), we should avoid technical SLA language to move to what we understood the intention to be, that there not be gaps in funding that put the fact of performance of the IANA functions at risk. Then whatever technical agreements there are on how that service will be delivered should be housed elsewhere.”<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">One alternative that should meet the concern raised by ICANN Legal, while also covering the concept of no interruptions is below:<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US">“to ensure performance of those IANA functions and PTI in the future<span> </span><span style="background-color:yellow;background-position:initial initial;background-repeat:initial initial">is not interrupted due to lack of funding</span>”</span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">With respect to #3, Sidley proposed language to try and capture the DT-O request. ICANN Legal’s edits are reflected as a redline to our proposed language. Please advise if this captures the concept being requested by DT-O, which is also below. Also, is the bracketed language necessary?<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Sharon<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">PROPOSED EDITS TO 22.4, 22.5 AND ANNEX F<u></u><u></u></span></b></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 180pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span>1.<span style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> <span> </span></span></span></span><b><u><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">ICANN Legal Proposed Edits to Section 22.4(f)</span></u></b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">:<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 180pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US">“To maintain ongoing operational excellence and financial stability of the IANA functions (so long as they are performed by ICANN or pursuant to contract with ICANN) and PTI, ICANN shall be required to plan for and allocate funds to<span> </span><a name="m_-8104172062049647903__cp_text_1_32"><u><span style="color:blue">ICANN’s performance of</span></u></a><span> </span>the IANA functions and<span> </span><a name="m_-8104172062049647903__cp_text_1_33"><u><span style="color:blue">to</span></u></a><span> </span>PTI<a name="m_-8104172062049647903__cp_text_1_34"><u><span style="color:blue">,</span></u></a><span> </span>as applicable<a name="m_-8104172062049647903__cp_text_1_35"><u><span style="color:blue">,</span></u></a><span> </span>that are sufficient to cover<span> </span><a name="m_-8104172062049647903__cp_text_2_36"><s><span style="color:red">the<span> </span></span></s></a>future expenses and contingencies to ensure<span> </span><a name="m_-8104172062049647903__cp_text_2_37"><s><span style="color:red">uninterrupted</span></s></a><a name="m_-8104172062049647903__cp_text_1_38"></a><u><span style="color:blue">continuous</span></u><span> </span>performance of those IANA functions and PTI in the future.”<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 144pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 180pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US"><span>2.<span style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> <span> </span></span></span></span><b><u><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">ICANN Legal Proposed Edits to Annex F(1)(f)</span></u></b><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 180pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US">“Notwithstanding any other principle listed above, prevents ICANN, in its responsibility to fund the operations of the IANA functions, from initiating activities that<span> </span><a name="m_-8104172062049647903__cp_text_2_57"><s><span style="color:red">are</span></s></a><a name="m_-8104172062049647903__cp_text_1_58"><u><span style="color:blue">remain</span></u><span> </span></a>subject to community consideration (or for which that community consultation has not concluded)<a name="m_-8104172062049647903__cp_text_1_59"><u><span style="color:blue"><span> </span>with respect to the applicable IANA Budget</span></u></a>, including without limitation, preventing implementation of any contentious<span> </span><a name="m_-8104172062049647903__cp_text_2_60"><s><span style="color:red">expenditures</span></s></a><a name="m_-8104172062049647903__cp_text_1_61"><u><span style="color:blue">expenditure</span></u><span> </span></a>or undertaking any contentious<a name="m_-8104172062049647903__cp_text_2_62"><s><span style="color:red">actions</span></s></a><a name="m_-8104172062049647903__cp_text_1_63"><u><span style="color:blue">action</span></u><span> </span></a>that<span> </span><a name="m_-8104172062049647903__cp_text_2_64"><s><span style="color:red">were</span></s></a><a name="m_-8104172062049647903__cp_text_1_65"><u><span style="color:blue">was</span></u><span> </span></a>the subject of the IANA Budget that was rejected by the EC<span> </span><a name="m_-8104172062049647903__cp_text_2_66"><s><span style="color:red">and</span></s></a><a name="m_-8104172062049647903__cp_text_1_67"><u><span style="color:blue">that</span></u><span> </span></a>triggered the need for the Caretaker IANA Budget.”<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></span></div><span class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 144pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 180pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span>3.<span style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> <span> </span></span></span></span><b><u><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Current Draft Language – Section 22.4(b)(i)</span></u></b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">:<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></div></span><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 162pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;text-indent:36pt"><span lang="EN-US">Separately and in addition to the general ICANN planning process,<span> </span><a name="m_-8104172062049647903__cp_text_1_11"><u><span style="color:blue">ICANN shall require</span></u><span> </span></a>PTI<span> </span><a name="m_-8104172062049647903__cp_text_2_12"><s><span style="color:red">shall</span></s></a><a name="m_-8104172062049647903__cp_text_1_13"><u><span style="color:blue">to</span></u><span> </span></a>prepare and submit to the PTI Board a proposed annual operating plan and budget for<span> </span><a name="m_-8104172062049647903__cp_text_1_14"><u><span style="color:blue">PTI’s performance of</span></u><span> </span></a>the IANA functions for the next fiscal year (“<b>PTI Budget</b>”).<span> </span><a name="m_-8104172062049647903__cp_text_1_15"><u><span style="color:blue">ICANN shall require</span></u><span> </span></a>PTI<span> </span><a name="m_-8104172062049647903__cp_text_2_16"><s><span style="color:red">shall</span></s></a><a name="m_-8104172062049647903__cp_text_1_17"><u><span style="color:blue">to</span></u></a>consult with the Supporting Organizations and Advisory Committees<span style="background-color:yellow;background-position:initial initial;background-repeat:initial initial">[, as well as the Registries Stakeholder Group, the IAB and RIRs,</span>] during the PTI Budget development process, and shall seek public comment on the draft PTI Budget prior to approval of the PTI Budget by PTI.<span> </span><a name="m_-8104172062049647903__cp_text_2_18"><s><span style="color:red">The</span></s></a><a name="m_-8104172062049647903__cp_text_1_19"><u><span style="color:blue">ICANN shall require PTI to submit the</span></u><span> </span></a>PTI Budget<span> </span><a name="m_-8104172062049647903__cp_text_2_20"><s><span style="color:red">shall be submitted<span> </span></span></s></a>to ICANN as<span> </span><a name="m_-8104172062049647903__cp_text_1_21"><u><span style="color:blue">an</span></u><span> </span></a>input prior to and for the purpose of being included in the proposed Operating Plan (as defined in<span> </span><u>Section 22.5(a)</u>) and ICANN Budget.<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></span></div><span class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 144pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 180pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">This draft language attempts to capture this language in the attached DT-O document, modified to align with comparable language relating to the ICANN Budget:<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 180pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US">“Separately and in addition to the general ICANN planning process, PTI shall prepare and submit to the PTI Board a proposed operating plan and budget for the IANA functions for the upcoming planning cycle. 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