<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"><base href="x-msg://117/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Milton:<div><br></div><div>1.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Absolutely disagree</div><div><br></div><div>2.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Strongly agree.</div><div><br></div><div>Explanation available next week if required.</div><div><br></div><div>CW</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On 08 May 2016, at 17:37, "Mueller, Milton L" <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu">milton@gatech.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Two important observations I would make:<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -0.25in; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><span>1.<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">It is clear that whoever drafted the RZERC charter has reverted to the legacy mindset of a single IANA Functions Operator for names, numbers and protocols. The composition of the group, for example, does not distinguish between the IFO for names and the IFO for protocols and numbers. Let me remind everyone that the Root Zone (RZ) that ICANN will contract for management of and which this RZERC will consider is a NAMES function only. Therefore it is unclear to me why ASO is included on this body and the management of numbers “root” has very little if any connection to the architecture and operation of the RZM.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -0.25in; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><span>2.<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Another issue that seems to be overlooked is that going forward, RZM will be a paid contractor of ICANN, therefore the incumbent RZM might be considered to have a conflict of interest in RZERC consultations with ICANN about the RZM contract terms and conditions. On the other hand, we certainly do want the incumbent RZM to be a part of this committee because of the operational knowledge it would bring to bear. So their role should be circumscribed appropriately; e.g., the incumbent RZM contractor should not chair the committee and any definition of “consensus” should not allow an incumbent RZM to block recommendations pertaining to its own role or contract.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">A not-so important but funny observation: Seun’s modifications referred to “</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; ">expenses incurred in the curse of carrying out their services”<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> <o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></a></div><div style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1.5pt; border-left-color: blue; padding: 0in 0in 0in 4pt; "><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in; "><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:cwg-<a href="mailto:stewardship-bounces@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Seun Ojedeji<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday, May 8, 2016 2:14 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Alan Greenberg <<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>><br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [CWG-Stewardship] RZERC Charter for CWG review<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Dear all,<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Kindly find attached a document that contains my comments, and proposed edits.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Regards<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 12:17 AM, Seun Ojedeji <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in; "><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Thanks, that's helpful (especially the funding part)<o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Regards<o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Sent from my LG G4<br>Kindly excuse brevity and typos<o:p></o:p></p><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On 3 May 2016 11:53 p.m., "Alan Greenberg" <<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in; "><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">At 03/05/2016 06:21 PM, Seun Ojedeji wrote:<br><br><o:p></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="047d7b67048f2cc5610531f78803"<br>X-Microsoft-Exchange-Diagnostics:<br> 1;SN1PR0301MB2030;9:yXSxQKq/XJtXcx74HQ6pcWbqx+b5hJebhZjStOfe2vcCaFJ13kuGboEAYxZedfvpfqoQkW2my/77y/UqGl8n/BZrde2MO+2rOPKk/tzSDPSclTyxHy+8MwGyIS5oWnPtJXGBJ+eJUMHEFVAZUN4McvB0XW/SRKMbIhIxtENblbs=<br><br>Dear Co-Chairs/all,<br><br>Looking at the acronym "RZERC" makes me feel I probably may have been lagging behind with happenings within the CWG. ;-)<br><br>Just a few clarification question/comments:<br><br>- What is RZERC(I assume it's an acronym) as the charter does not seem to include description.<o:p></o:p></div></blockquote><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><br>It stands for the Root Zone Evolution Review Committee<br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">- I did a quick find on the ICG proposal and don't see reference to "RZERC", what part of the ICG (to be specific CWG) proposal is this implementing?<o:p></o:p></div></blockquote><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><br>The name is new. The committee is described in paragraph 155 of the CWG proposal. 1155 of the ICG proposal I think.<br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">- I note that review of charter every 5 years is indicated, but there seem to be no room to modify the charter in situations requiring urgent need.<o:p></o:p></div></blockquote><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><br>The 5 years is a mandatory review.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">- There is no process of replacing members indicated.<o:p></o:p></div></blockquote><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><br>There is similarly no process for formally naming them. It is up to the appointing body (they all come from somewhere specific).<br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">- What part of the ICANN(or perhaps it's going to be applicable to PTI ) bylaw recognises the formation of the RZERC<o:p></o:p></div></blockquote><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><br>ICANN. The RZERC advises the ICANN Board and can act as an advisor to other groups as necessary (such as IANA itself)<br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">- Is the RZERC a new ICANN AC?<o:p></o:p></div></blockquote><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><br>It is an advisory committee, but not an Advisory Committee in the sense of the ACs defined in the Bylaws. The Board has the responsibility of approving substantive changes in the RZ architecture and operation. The RZERC is a resource it uses to do the analysis.<br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">- Who funds the activities of the RZERC?<o:p></o:p></div></blockquote><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><br>To the extent that it needs funds, ICANN.<br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">- Renumeration of the group is not explicitly indicated in the charter; is this a volunteer group or a paid group?<o:p></o:p></div></blockquote><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><br>They are paid double what I am paid and tripple what you are paid.<br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">- What will be the connection between RZERC and PTI board (since they will be more closer to IANA than ICANN board post-transition) since it seem this group reports/works with ICANN board?<o:p></o:p></div></blockquote><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><br>No connection. The PTI Board oversees the physical operation of PTI. The ICANN Board, replacing NTIA, is responsible for RZ issues as per the previously mentioned section of the CWG/ICG reports.<br><br>Alan<br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Regards<br>Sent from my LG G4<br>Kindly excuse brevity and typos<br>On 3 May 2016 6:20 p.m., "Lise Fuhr" <<a href="mailto:Fuhr@etno.eu" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">Fuhr@etno.eu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Dear CWG,<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Attached is the RZERC charter for your review. We would like to receive your comments at 17 May at the latest 23.59 utc (2 week review period). We furthermore plan to have a CWG call at the 12 may where the RZERC Charter will be discussed.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Jonathan and Lise<o:p></o:p></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">CWG-Stewardship mailing list<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><a href="mailto:CWG-Stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank" style="color: purple; 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text-decoration: underline; ">CWG-Stewardship@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship</a><o:p></o:p></div></blockquote></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><br><br clear="all"><br>--<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">------------------------------------------------------------------------<span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136); "><o:p></o:p></span></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in; "><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><i><span style="font-family: Garamond, serif; color: rgb(0, 102, 0); ">Seun Ojedeji,<br>Federal University Oye-Ekiti<br>web: <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></i><i><span style="font-family: Garamond, serif; color: rgb(136, 136, 136); "><a href="http://www.fuoye.edu.ng" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.fuoye.edu.ng</a><br></span></i><i><span style="font-family: Garamond, serif; color: rgb(0, 102, 0); ">Mobile: +2348035233535</span></i><i><span style="font-family: Garamond, serif; color: rgb(136, 136, 136); "><br></span></i><i><span style="font-family: Garamond, serif; color: rgb(0, 102, 0); ">alt email:<a href="http://goog_1872880453" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></a><a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng</a></span></i><span style="font-family: Garamond, serif; color: rgb(136, 136, 136); "><o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; 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