<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Chuck,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Thanks for getting the ball rolling.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Philosophically you may well be right, but I don't think that is a practical answer under these circumstances. It does however help clarify and tighten the question, always a good thing in the search for an answer.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">The need for a definition or identification of the Names Community is driven by the need for some group (or group of groups) to take various actions on behalf of the Names Community (outlined in my email). The way the Agreement is structured it may appear to ask for a definition of the Names Community. Thinking about this after your email, I think what we need to find (or create) instead is a valid <i>representative</i> group (or group of groups) that can act on behalf of the Names Community in the context of this Agreement.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Consider the following:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">How would the community you suggest (<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px">All current and future stakeholders of Internet domain names including individuals and organizations</span>) take the actions needed underthe Community Agreement ?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Approached another way, assuming for the moment that you have correctly defined the "Names Community," broadly speaking, what group (or group of groups) would (practically speaking) best represent this Community?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">As a corollary, consider that the IANA transition transfers oversight of certain critical Internet functions from the NTIA to the "Global Multistakeholder Community" -- a community even broader than the Names Community. Yet we have (imperfectly perhaps) determined that various existing bodies (and some newly formed combinations of these bodies) will adequately represent the "global multistakeholder community" in exercising stewardship and accountability functions.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">As another corollary, consider how the Numbers Community and Protocol Parameters Community are defined in this Agreement -- as the Regional Internet Registries (and as the NRO) and the IETF respectively. Consider how the definition you propose compares to these definitions. Alternatively consider how the NRO and the IETF compare with the following parallel definitions:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px">Numbers Community: All current and future stakeholders of Internet IP address numbers including individuals and organizations</span><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px">RIRs: All current and future stakeholders of Internet protocol parameters including individuals and organizations</span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">While these definitions are not incorrect, and are certainly far broader than the NRO and the IETF, they are not being used in the Community Agreement, and could not practically be used in the Community Agreement. Instead we need to rely on groups that are (hopefully) representative of those communities, while not being selected by those (much) larger communities. We need to do the same thing here for the Names Community.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 7:08 PM, Gomes, Chuck <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" target="_blank">cgomes@verisign.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Thanks for getting this started Greg. Here are my first reactions.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><u></u><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:symbol;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span>·<span style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:'times new roman'">
</span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I think everyone one of these leave some members of the name community out.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><u></u><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:symbol;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span>·<span style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:'times new roman'">
</span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Most of them are what I think are legitimate subsets of the ‘Names Community’.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><u></u><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:symbol;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span>·<span style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:'times new roman'">
</span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">It doesn’t seem to me that the ‘Names Community’ has to be a structure; in fact I think it may be difficult to find or create a structure inside or
outside ICANN that would include all members of the ‘Names Community’.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><u></u><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:symbol;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span>·<span style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:'times new roman'">
</span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">A general definition may be the best way to go, one that doesn’t try to list specific members because as soon as we do that we will likely leave some
out.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Here is my initial suggestion: “All current and future stakeholders of Internet domain names including individuals and organizations.” I welcome critique of
my thoughts and my suggestion.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Chuck<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"> <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.<wbr>org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship-<wbr>bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Greg Shatan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 31, 2016 6:00 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [CWG-Stewardship] Possible Definitions/Compositions of the "Names Community"<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div class="gmail-h5">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">On our last call, I volunteered to put together this email.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">We need to define or identify the composition of the "Names Community" for purposes of the IANA IPR Community Agreement. The role of the Names Community in this Agreement is outlined below.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Here are some non-exhaustive possibilities for the "Names Community," which I am throwing out without any judgment as to their appropriateness and in no particular order: <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">The CWG</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">All of the Chartering Organizations of the CWG (GNSO, ccNSO, ALAC, GAC, SSAC) but not acting through the CWG</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">An Implementation Oversight Team (IOT) (drawn in some fashion from the CWG and/or its Chartering Organizations)</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">GNSO and ccNSO</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">GNSO, ccNSO and ALAC </span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">GNSO, ccNSO and GAC</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">GNSO, ccNSO, ALAC and GAC</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Any other combination of some but not all Chartering Organizations</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">The CSC (representing those organizations and in the proportions represented on the CSC)</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">The organizations contributing members to the CSC (but not necessarily acting through the CSC or in the proportions represented in the CSC)</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Any other combination of ICANN-created structures</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">An existing non-ICANN-created structure</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">A combination of ICANN-created and non-ICANN created structures</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">A completely new structure</span><u></u><u></u></li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">ICANN (the corporation) will be the signatory on behalf of the "Names Community." </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">The "Names Community" (and not ICANN the corporation) will need to be responsible for the substance of all Names Community actions under the Community Agreement and instructing its CCG representatives
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<span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Appointing, removing and replacing three members of the CCG (Community Coordinating Group) representing the Names Community</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Appointing one of the three Names Community members as a Co-Chair and primary point of contact for the IETF Trust</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Determining whether the IANA Services are consistent with the standards set forth by the Names Community (determined through a "specified process of community engagement, feedback, contract and dispute resolution,"
which is expected to be the CSC, and when the time comes, the IFR process)</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Instructing the CCG Representatives</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Notifying the IETF Trust that the IANA Operator (initially, ICANN) is being replaced. (This would be the result of a SCWG decision.)</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Requesting that the IETF Trust enter into an IANA IPR License Agreement with a new IANA Operator and participating in these interactions/negotiations (particularly if the Trust or the Operator wants to vary the
terms of the License Agreement) including mediation if the parties are unable to come to an agreement on terms of the new License Agreement</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Monitoring the IANA Operator’s use of the IANA IPR with respect to its designated IANA Service for the purposes of quality control under the License Agreement and notifying the IETF Trust of any failures or deficiencies
in the quality of service provided by the IANA Operator that would violate such quality control provisions (again, this is likely to be CSC/IFR work in substance).</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Being consulted (through the CCG Co-Chair) by the IETF Trust if the Trust believes the IANA Operator has materially breached the terms of its License Agreement.</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Withdrawing from the Community Agreement</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Selecting or creating a new entity to replace ICANN as the signatory to this Agreement on behalf of the Names Community (which could be a responsibility of the CWG or some successor to the CWG)</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Determining a process for doing each of the above (to the extent it doesn't fall into an existing group with a process for doing things)</span><u></u><u></u></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Please respond to this email with any thoughts you have on the possible ways (including additional ways) to identify/define the Names Community for this purpose, and with any questions you
may have (and any answers you may have, as well).</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Please keep in mind the relatively limited purposes for which this needs to be answered (just dealing with the Community Agreement) and the
<u>very limited time-frame</u> we have to figure this out (at least, initially).</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Thank you for your consideration of these issues.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Best regards,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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