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    <p>Agree - thanks both.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 05/09/2016 21:06, Greg Shatan wrote:<br>
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          style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Jonathan,</div>
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          style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Thanks.  I think it is
          a more accurate representation.</div>
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          style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Best regards,</div>
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          style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 5:23 AM,
          Jonathan Robinson <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
              moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info" target="_blank">jrobinson@afilias.info</a>&gt;</span>
          wrote:<br>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Greg
                    and others,</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Apologies,
                    for the slow response.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I
                    recall it very slightly differently in that, we
                    provisionally ended up with:</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">The
                    Chartering Organisations (of the CWG) through:</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                <p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><span>a)<span
                        style="font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">     
                      </span></span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">The
                    CWG, so long as it exists, and thereafter</span></p>
                <p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><span>b)<span
                        style="font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">     
                      </span></span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Their
                    Chairs</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Jonathan</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                      style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"
                      lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"
                    lang="EN-US"> Greg Shatan [mailto:<a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com"
                      target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.<wbr>com</a>]
                    <br>
                    <b>Sent:</b> 01 September 2016 22:55<br>
                    <b>To:</b> Seun Ojedeji &lt;<a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com"
                      target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span></p>
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                    <b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org"
                      target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br>
                    <b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Possible
                    Definitions/Compositions of the "Names Community"</div>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif">Provisionally,
                            we have ended up with:</span></p>
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                            style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif"> </span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif">a)
                            the CWG so long as it exists, followed by</span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif">b)
                            the Chartering Organizations, acting by
                            their Chairs.</span></p>
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                            style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif"> </span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif">Greg</span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 5:49
                          PM, Seun Ojedeji &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com"
                            target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                          wrote:</p>
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                          <p>Lost audio[1] at the time Jonathan was
                            making suggestions about the "names
                            community". I think the phrase suggested; on
                            behalf of "members of the CWG" may be
                            somewhat personal. On behalf the "chartering
                            organisations of CWG" may be more ideal.</p>
                          <p>On another note, suggestion about exploring
                            memberships drawn the CO to form a group
                            smaller than current CWG for the task is
                            worth exploring future.</p>
                          <p>Regards<br>
                            1. Looks like Brenda is not on her Skype
                            either so I couldn't get a quick redial, if
                            the meeting is still pretty much on I will
                            appreciate a dialout.</p>
                          <p>Sent from my LG G4<br>
                            Kindly excuse brevity and typos</p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal">On 1 Sep 2016
                                    8:46 p.m., "Gomes, Chuck" &lt;<a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com"
                                      target="_blank">cgomes@verisign.com</a>&gt;
                                    wrote:</p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                                            lang="EN-US">#3 might be
                                            worth exploring further.</span><span
                                            lang="EN-US"></span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                                            lang="EN-US"> </span><span
                                            lang="EN-US"></span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                                            lang="EN-US">Chuck</span><span
                                            lang="EN-US"></span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                                            lang="EN-US"> </span><span
                                            lang="EN-US"></span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                                              style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif"
                                              lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif"
                                            lang="EN-US"> Greg Shatan
                                            [mailto:<a
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                                              href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com"
                                              target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.<wbr>com</a>]
                                            <br>
                                            <b>Sent:</b> Thursday,
                                            September 01, 2016 2:34 PM<br>
                                            <b>To:</b> Gomes, Chuck<br>
                                            <b>Cc:</b> Seun Ojedeji; <a
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                                              href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org"
                                              target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a></span><span
                                            lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                              lang="EN-US"><br>
                                              <b>Subject:</b> Re:
                                              [CWG-Stewardship] Possible
                                              Definitions/Compositions
                                              of the "Names Community"</span></p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                            lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif"
                                                lang="EN-US">Thank you
                                                for these very helpful
                                                comments.</span><span
                                                lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif" lang="EN-US"> </span><span
                                                  lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif" lang="EN-US">We may
                                                  be overthinking things
                                                  a bit.</span><span
                                                  lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif" lang="EN-US"> </span><span
                                                  lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif" lang="EN-US">The CWG
                                                  has been acting in the
                                                  interests of the
                                                  "Names Community" and
                                                  has done some very
                                                  significant things
                                                  acting in that
                                                  capacity.  Our report
                                                  and recommendations
                                                  were considered to be
                                                  and treated as the
                                                  proposal of the "Names
                                                  Community."  This
                                                  isn't much more than
                                                  an implementation
                                                  detail of that
                                                  report.  So thinking
                                                  that we need to come
                                                  up with a whole new
                                                  understanding of the
                                                  "Names Community" and
                                                  how to action on its
                                                  behalf on this small
                                                  aspect of our work
                                                  seems out of scale and
                                                  out of scope.</span><span
                                                  lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif" lang="EN-US"> </span><span
                                                  lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif" lang="EN-US">Much of
                                                  the operational work
                                                  will take place in the
                                                  CSC, IFR and SCWG,
                                                  with the CCG
                                                  representatives and/or
                                                  the signatory acting
                                                  primarily as a
                                                  delivery mechanism or
                                                  point of contact. 
                                                  Both the CCG and the
                                                  actions taken by the
                                                  signatory will be
                                                  dependent on actions
                                                  of these other groups.</span><span
                                                  lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif" lang="EN-US"> </span><span
                                                  lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif" lang="EN-US">Overall,
                                                  I tend to agree with
                                                  Seun, that the
                                                  oversight should be
                                                  handled by the
                                                  Chartering
                                                  Organizations and to
                                                  the extent applicable,
                                                  by the methods we've
                                                  created (CSC, IFR,
                                                  SCWG) communicated by
                                                  the CCG
                                                  representatives.</span><span
                                                  lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif" lang="EN-US"> </span><span
                                                  lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif" lang="EN-US">ICANN as
                                                  the signatory also
                                                  makes sense, though
                                                  its role should be
                                                  that of a conduit. 
                                                  ICANN itself should
                                                  not have an
                                                  operational role,
                                                  since the oversight
                                                  involved here is
                                                  either (a) oversight
                                                  of ICANN or (b)
                                                  oversight of an entity
                                                  contracting with ICANN
                                                  (IETF Trust).  As
                                                  indicated above and in
                                                  my earlier email, we
                                                  already have
                                                  operational solutions
                                                  for most (if not all)
                                                  of the tasks of the
                                                  CCG and signatory.</span><span
                                                  lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif" lang="EN-US"> </span><span
                                                  lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif" lang="EN-US">At the
                                                  next level the
                                                  question is: how
                                                  should the Chartering
                                                  Organizations function
                                                  in order to deal with
                                                  the tasks at hand
                                                  (choosing the CCG
                                                  members, etc., etc.). 
                                                  So we're back to using
                                                  or creating a group
                                                  that draws from the
                                                  Chartering
                                                  Organizations in some
                                                  fashion.  This is
                                                  probably a subset of
                                                  the groups listed in
                                                  my prior email (but
                                                  without they idea that
                                                  any of them <u>are</u> the
                                                  Names Community). 
                                                  Leading candidates in
                                                  my mind are:</span><span
                                                  lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                                              style="margin-left:47.25pt"><span
style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif"
                                                lang="EN-US">1.</span><span
                                                style="font-size:7.0pt"
                                                lang="EN-US">     </span><span
style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif"
                                                lang="EN-US">The CWG</span><span
                                                lang="EN-US"></span></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                                              style="margin-left:47.25pt"><span
style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif"
                                                lang="EN-US">2.</span><span
                                                style="font-size:7.0pt"
                                                lang="EN-US">     </span><span
style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif"
                                                lang="EN-US">All of the
                                                Chartering Organizations
                                                of the CWG (GNSO, ccNSO,
                                                ALAC, GAC, SSAC) but not
                                                acting through the CWG</span><span
                                                lang="EN-US"></span></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                                              style="margin-left:47.25pt"><span
style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif"
                                                lang="EN-US">3.</span><span
                                                style="font-size:7.0pt"
                                                lang="EN-US">     </span><span
style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif"
                                                lang="EN-US">An
                                                Implementation Oversight
                                                Team (IOT) (drawn in
                                                some fashion from the
                                                CWG and/or its
                                                Chartering
                                                Organizations)</span><span
                                                lang="EN-US"></span></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                                              style="margin-left:47.25pt"><span
style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif"
                                                lang="EN-US">4.</span><span
                                                style="font-size:7.0pt"
                                                lang="EN-US">     </span><span
style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif"
                                                lang="EN-US">The CSC</span><span
                                                lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif"
                                                  lang="EN-US">Greg</span><span
                                                  lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif"
                                                lang="EN-US"> </span><span
                                                lang="EN-US"></span></p>
                                          </div>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif"
                                                lang="EN-US"> </span><span
                                                lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif"
                                                lang="EN-US"> </span><span
                                                lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                  lang="EN-US">On Thu,
                                                  Sep 1, 2016 at 1:45
                                                  PM, Gomes, Chuck &lt;<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" target="_blank">cgomes@verisign.com</a>&gt;
                                                  wrote:</span></p>
                                              <div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                                                      lang="EN-US">I
                                                      like breaking step
                                                      2 into the 2 steps
                                                      Seun suggested.</span><span
                                                      lang="EN-US"></span></p>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                                                      lang="EN-US"> </span><span
                                                      lang="EN-US"></span></p>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                                                      lang="EN-US">Chuck</span><span
                                                      lang="EN-US"></span></p>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                                                      lang="EN-US"> </span><span
                                                      lang="EN-US"></span></p>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif"
                                                        lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif"
                                                      lang="EN-US"> Seun
                                                      Ojedeji [mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com"
                                                        target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a><wbr>]
                                                      <br>
                                                      <b>Sent:</b>
                                                      Thursday,
                                                      September 01, 2016
                                                      12:53 PM<br>
                                                      <b>To:</b> Gomes,
                                                      Chuck<br>
                                                      <b>Cc:</b> <a
                                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>;
                                                      Greg Shatan</span><span
                                                      lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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                                                    <div>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US"><br>
                                                          <b>Subject:</b>
                                                          Re:
                                                          [CWG-Stewardship]
                                                          Possible
                                                          Definitions/Compositions
                                                          of the "Names
                                                          Community"</span></p>
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                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                      <p><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">Hello,</span></p>
                                                      <p><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">Sent
                                                          from my LG G4<br>
                                                          Kindly excuse
                                                          brevity and
                                                          typos</span></p>
                                                      <p><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">On
                                                          1 Sep 2016
                                                          1:45 a.m.,
                                                          "Gomes, Chuck"
                                                          &lt;<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" target="_blank">cgomes@verisign.com</a>&gt;
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; Greg,<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; I see it
                                                          as two steps:
                                                          1) define the
                                                          community; </span></p>
                                                      <p><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">SO:
                                                          We can take
                                                          this up from
                                                          your proposed
                                                          definition
                                                          which I think
                                                          it's a good
                                                          start:</span></p>
                                                      <p><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">“All
                                                          current and
                                                          future
                                                          stakeholders
                                                          of Internet
                                                          domain names
                                                          including
                                                          individuals
                                                          and
                                                          organizations.”</span></p>
                                                      <p><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">2)
                                                          decide who can
                                                          best represent
                                                          that
                                                          community. </span></p>
                                                      <p><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">SO:
                                                          I see two
                                                          aspects here:</span></p>
                                                      <p><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">1.
                                                          Who to
                                                          represent as
                                                          signatory and
                                                          perform
                                                          operational
                                                          tasks: I
                                                          believe this
                                                          should be
                                                          ICANN</span></p>
                                                      <p><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">2.
                                                          Who should
                                                          have an
                                                          oversight
                                                          role: I
                                                          believe this
                                                          can be the
                                                          chartering
                                                          organisations
                                                          that developed
                                                          the names
                                                          proposal which
                                                          is the CWG.</span></p>
                                                      <p><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">&gt;<br>
                                                          Whoever that
                                                          is, they need
                                                          to understand
                                                          who the
                                                          community is
                                                          to accurately
                                                          do their job.<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          SO: Indeed and
                                                          I believe
                                                          though the CWG
                                                          prepared the
                                                          names
                                                          proposal, it
                                                          has ensured
                                                          that it's
                                                          operations
                                                          covers the
                                                          description of
                                                          a global
                                                          community in
                                                          that anyone
                                                          with a view is
                                                          welcome to
                                                          contribute,
                                                          including
                                                          those who are
                                                          not
                                                          members/participants
                                                          of CWG.</span></p>
                                                      <p><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">Regards<br>
                                                          &gt;  <br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; Chuck<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;  <br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; From:
                                                          Greg Shatan
                                                          [mailto:<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.<wbr>com</a>]
                                                          <br>
                                                          &gt; Sent:
                                                          Wednesday,
                                                          August 31,
                                                          2016 7:32 PM<br>
                                                          &gt; To:
                                                          Gomes, Chuck<br>
                                                          &gt; Cc: <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br>
                                                          &gt; Subject:
                                                          Re:
                                                          [CWG-Stewardship]
                                                          Possible
                                                          Definitions/Compositions
                                                          of the "Names
                                                          Community"<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;  <br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; Chuck,<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;  <br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; Thanks
                                                          for getting
                                                          the ball
                                                          rolling.<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;  <br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;
                                                          Philosophically
                                                          you may well
                                                          be right, but
                                                          I don't think
                                                          that is a
                                                          practical
                                                          answer under
                                                          these
                                                          circumstances. 
                                                          It does
                                                          however help
                                                          clarify and
                                                          tighten the
                                                          question,
                                                          always a good
                                                          thing in the
                                                          search for an
                                                          answer.<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;  <br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; The need
                                                          for a
                                                          definition or
                                                          identification
                                                          of the Names
                                                          Community is
                                                          driven by the
                                                          need for some
                                                          group (or
                                                          group of
                                                          groups) to
                                                          take various
                                                          actions on
                                                          behalf of the
                                                          Names
                                                          Community
                                                          (outlined in
                                                          my email). 
                                                          The way the
                                                          Agreement is
                                                          structured it
                                                          may appear to
                                                          ask for a
                                                          definition of
                                                          the Names
                                                          Community. 
                                                          Thinking about
                                                          this after
                                                          your email, I
                                                          think what we
                                                          need to find
                                                          (or create)
                                                          instead is a
                                                          valid
                                                          representative group
                                                          (or group of
                                                          groups) that
                                                          can act on
                                                          behalf of the
                                                          Names
                                                          Community in
                                                          the context of
                                                          this
                                                          Agreement.<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;  <br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; Consider
                                                          the following:<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;  <br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; How would
                                                          the community
                                                          you suggest
                                                          (All current
                                                          and future
                                                          stakeholders
                                                          of Internet
                                                          domain names
                                                          including
                                                          individuals
                                                          and
                                                          organizations)
                                                          take the
                                                          actions needed
                                                          underthe
                                                          Community
                                                          Agreement ?<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;  <br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;
                                                          Approached
                                                          another way,
                                                          assuming for
                                                          the moment
                                                          that you have
                                                          correctly
                                                          defined the
                                                          "Names
                                                          Community,"
                                                          broadly
                                                          speaking, what
                                                          group (or
                                                          group of
                                                          groups) would
                                                          (practically
                                                          speaking) best
                                                          represent this
                                                          Community?<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;  <br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; As a
                                                          corollary,
                                                          consider that
                                                          the IANA
                                                          transition
                                                          transfers
                                                          oversight of
                                                          certain
                                                          critical
                                                          Internet
                                                          functions from
                                                          the NTIA to
                                                          the "Global
                                                          Multistakeholder
                                                          Community" --
                                                          a community
                                                          even broader
                                                          than the Names
                                                          Community. 
                                                          Yet we have
                                                          (imperfectly
                                                          perhaps)
                                                          determined
                                                          that various
                                                          existing
                                                          bodies (and
                                                          some newly
                                                          formed
                                                          combinations
                                                          of these
                                                          bodies) will
                                                          adequately
                                                          represent the
                                                          "global
                                                          multistakeholder
                                                          community" in
                                                          exercising
                                                          stewardship
                                                          and
                                                          accountability
                                                          functions.<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;  <br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; As
                                                          another
                                                          corollary,
                                                          consider how
                                                          the Numbers
                                                          Community and
                                                          Protocol
                                                          Parameters
                                                          Community are
                                                          defined in
                                                          this Agreement
                                                          -- as the
                                                          Regional
                                                          Internet
                                                          Registries
                                                          (and as the
                                                          NRO) and the
                                                          IETF
                                                          respectively. 
                                                          Consider how
                                                          the definition
                                                          you propose
                                                          compares to
                                                          these
                                                          definitions. 
                                                          Alternatively
                                                          consider how
                                                          the NRO and
                                                          the IETF
                                                          compare with
                                                          the following
                                                          parallel
                                                          definitions:<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;  <br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; Numbers
                                                          Community: All
                                                          current and
                                                          future
                                                          stakeholders
                                                          of Internet IP
                                                          address
                                                          numbers
                                                          including
                                                          individuals
                                                          and
                                                          organizations<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; RIRs: All
                                                          current and
                                                          future
                                                          stakeholders
                                                          of Internet
                                                          protocol
                                                          parameters
                                                          including
                                                          individuals
                                                          and
                                                          organizations<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;  <br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; ​While
                                                          these
                                                          definitions
                                                          are not
                                                          incorrect, and
                                                          are certainly
                                                          far broader
                                                          than the NRO
                                                          and the IETF,
                                                          they are not
                                                          being used in
                                                          the Community
                                                          Agreement, and
                                                          could not
                                                          practically be
                                                          used in the
                                                          Community
                                                          Agreement. 
                                                          Instead we
                                                          need to rely
                                                          on groups that
                                                          are
                                                          (hopefully)
                                                          representative
                                                          of those
                                                          communities,
                                                          while not
                                                          being selected
                                                          by those
                                                          (much) larger
                                                          communities. 
                                                          We need to do
                                                          the same thing
                                                          here for the
                                                          Names
                                                          Community.<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;  <br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; Greg​<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;  <br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;  <br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; On Wed,
                                                          Aug 31, 2016
                                                          at 7:08 PM,
                                                          Gomes, Chuck
                                                          &lt;<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" target="_blank">cgomes@verisign.com</a>&gt;
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; Thanks
                                                          for getting
                                                          this started
                                                          Greg.  Here
                                                          are my first
                                                          reactions.<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; ·        
                                                          I think
                                                          everyone one
                                                          of these leave
                                                          some members
                                                          of the name
                                                          community out.<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; ·        
                                                          Most of them
                                                          are what I
                                                          think are
                                                          legitimate
                                                          subsets of the
                                                          ‘Names
                                                          Community’.<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; ·        
                                                          It doesn’t
                                                          seem to me
                                                          that the
                                                          ‘Names
                                                          Community’ has
                                                          to be a
                                                          structure; in
                                                          fact I think
                                                          it may be
                                                          difficult to
                                                          find or create
                                                          a structure
                                                          inside or
                                                          outside ICANN
                                                          that would
                                                          include all
                                                          members of the
                                                          ‘Names
                                                          Community’.<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; ·        
                                                          A general
                                                          definition may
                                                          be the best
                                                          way to go, one
                                                          that doesn’t
                                                          try to list
                                                          specific
                                                          members
                                                          because as
                                                          soon as we do
                                                          that we will
                                                          likely leave
                                                          some out.<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;  <br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; Here is
                                                          my initial
                                                          suggestion:
                                                          “All current
                                                          and future
                                                          stakeholders
                                                          of Internet
                                                          domain names
                                                          including
                                                          individuals
                                                          and
                                                          organizations.” 
                                                          I welcome
                                                          critique of my
                                                          thoughts and
                                                          my suggestion.<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;  <br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; Chuck<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;  <br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; From: <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org"
                                                          target="_blank">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.<wbr>org</a>
                                                          [mailto:<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship-<wbr>bounces@icann.org</a>]
                                                          On Behalf Of
                                                          Greg Shatan<br>
                                                          &gt; Sent:
                                                          Wednesday,
                                                          August 31,
                                                          2016 6:00 PM<br>
                                                          &gt; To: <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br>
                                                          &gt; Subject:
[CWG-Stewardship] Possible Definitions/Compositions of the "Names
                                                          Community"<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;  <br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; On our
                                                          last call, I
                                                          volunteered to
                                                          put together
                                                          this email.<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;  <br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; We need
                                                          to define or
                                                          identify the
                                                          composition of
                                                          the "Names
                                                          Community" for
                                                          purposes of
                                                          the IANA IPR
                                                          Community
                                                          Agreement. 
                                                          The role of
                                                          the Names
                                                          Community in
                                                          this Agreement
                                                          is outlined
                                                          below.<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;  <br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; Here are
                                                          some
                                                          non-exhaustive
                                                          possibilities
                                                          for the "Names
                                                          Community,"
                                                          which I am
                                                          throwing out
                                                          without any
                                                          judgment as to
                                                          their
                                                          appropriateness
                                                          and in no
                                                          particular
                                                          order: <br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;  <br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; The CWG<br>
                                                          &gt; All of
                                                          the Chartering
                                                          Organizations
                                                          of the CWG
                                                          (GNSO, ccNSO,
                                                          ALAC, GAC,
                                                          SSAC) but not
                                                          acting through
                                                          the CWG<br>
                                                          &gt; An
                                                          Implementation
                                                          Oversight Team
                                                          (IOT) (drawn
                                                          in some
                                                          fashion from
                                                          the CWG and/or
                                                          its Chartering
                                                          Organizations)<br>
                                                          &gt; GNSO and
                                                          ccNSO<br>
                                                          &gt; GNSO,
                                                          ccNSO and
                                                          ALAC <br>
                                                          &gt; GNSO,
                                                          ccNSO and GAC<br>
                                                          &gt; GNSO,
                                                          ccNSO, ALAC
                                                          and GAC<br>
                                                          &gt; Any other
                                                          combination of
                                                          some but not
                                                          all Chartering
                                                          Organizations<br>
                                                          &gt; The CSC
                                                          (representing
                                                          those
                                                          organizations
                                                          and in the
                                                          proportions
                                                          represented on
                                                          the CSC)<br>
                                                          &gt; The
                                                          organizations
                                                          contributing
                                                          members to the
                                                          CSC (but not
                                                          necessarily
                                                          acting through
                                                          the CSC or in
                                                          the
                                                          proportions
                                                          represented in
                                                          the CSC)<br>
                                                          &gt; Any other
                                                          combination of
                                                          ICANN-created
                                                          structures<br>
                                                          &gt; An
                                                          existing
                                                          non-ICANN-created
                                                          structure<br>
                                                          &gt; A
                                                          combination of
                                                          ICANN-created
                                                          and non-ICANN
                                                          created
                                                          structures<br>
                                                          &gt; A
                                                          completely new
                                                          structure<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; ICANN
                                                          (the
                                                          corporation)
                                                          will be the
                                                          signatory on
                                                          behalf of the
                                                          "Names
                                                          Community." <br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;  <br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; The
                                                          "Names
                                                          Community"
                                                          (and not ICANN
                                                          the
                                                          corporation)
                                                          will need to
                                                          be responsible
                                                          for the
                                                          substance of
                                                          all Names
                                                          Community
                                                          actions under
                                                          the Community
                                                          Agreement and
                                                          instructing
                                                          its CCG
                                                          representatives
                                                          where
                                                          appropriate,
                                                          including:<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;  <br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;
                                                          Appointing,
                                                          removing and
                                                          replacing
                                                          three members
                                                          of the CCG
                                                          (Community
                                                          Coordinating
                                                          Group)
                                                          representing
                                                          the Names
                                                          Community<br>
                                                          &gt;
                                                          Appointing one
                                                          of the three
                                                          Names
                                                          Community
                                                          members as a
                                                          Co-Chair and
                                                          primary point
                                                          of contact for
                                                          the IETF Trust<br>
                                                          &gt;
                                                          Determining
                                                          whether the
                                                          IANA Services
                                                          are consistent
                                                          with the
                                                          standards set
                                                          forth by the
                                                          Names
                                                          Community
                                                          (determined
                                                          through a
                                                          "specified
                                                          process of
                                                          community
                                                          engagement,
                                                          feedback,
                                                          contract and
                                                          dispute
                                                          resolution,"
                                                          which is
                                                          expected to be
                                                          the CSC, and
                                                          when the time
                                                          comes, the IFR
                                                          process)<br>
                                                          &gt;
                                                          Instructing
                                                          the CCG
                                                          Representatives<br>
                                                          &gt; Notifying
                                                          the IETF Trust
                                                          that the IANA
                                                          Operator
                                                          (initially,
                                                          ICANN) is
                                                          being
                                                          replaced.
                                                          (This would be
                                                          the result of
                                                          a SCWG
                                                          decision.)<br>
                                                          &gt;
                                                          Requesting
                                                          that the IETF
                                                          Trust enter
                                                          into an IANA
                                                          IPR License
                                                          Agreement with
                                                          a new IANA
                                                          Operator and
                                                          participating
                                                          in these
                                                          interactions/negotiations
                                                          (particularly
                                                          if the Trust
                                                          or the
                                                          Operator wants
                                                          to vary the
                                                          terms of the
                                                          License
                                                          Agreement)
                                                          including
                                                          mediation if
                                                          the parties
                                                          are unable to
                                                          come to an
                                                          agreement on
                                                          terms of the
                                                          new License
                                                          Agreement<br>
                                                          &gt;
                                                          Monitoring the
                                                          IANA
                                                          Operator’s use
                                                          of the IANA
                                                          IPR with
                                                          respect to its
                                                          designated
                                                          IANA Service
                                                          for the
                                                          purposes of
                                                          quality
                                                          control under
                                                          the License
                                                          Agreement and
                                                          notifying the
                                                          IETF Trust of
                                                          any failures
                                                          or
                                                          deficiencies
                                                          in the quality
                                                          of service
                                                          provided by
                                                          the IANA
                                                          Operator that
                                                          would violate
                                                          such quality
                                                          control
                                                          provisions
                                                          (again, this
                                                          is likely to
                                                          be CSC/IFR
                                                          work in
                                                          substance).<br>
                                                          &gt; Being
                                                          consulted
                                                          (through the
                                                          CCG Co-Chair)
                                                          by the IETF
                                                          Trust if the
                                                          Trust believes
                                                          the IANA
                                                          Operator has
                                                          materially
                                                          breached the
                                                          terms of its
                                                          License
                                                          Agreement.<br>
                                                          &gt;
                                                          Withdrawing
                                                          from the
                                                          Community
                                                          Agreement<br>
                                                          &gt; Selecting
                                                          or creating a
                                                          new entity to
                                                          replace ICANN
                                                          as the
                                                          signatory to
                                                          this Agreement
                                                          on behalf of
                                                          the Names
                                                          Community
                                                          (which could
                                                          be a
                                                          responsibility
                                                          of the CWG or
                                                          some successor
                                                          to the CWG)<br>
                                                          &gt;
                                                          Determining a
                                                          process for
                                                          doing each of
                                                          the above (to
                                                          the extent it
                                                          doesn't fall
                                                          into an
                                                          existing group
                                                          with a process
                                                          for doing
                                                          things)<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; Please
                                                          respond to
                                                          this email
                                                          with any
                                                          thoughts you
                                                          have on the
                                                          possible ways
                                                          (including
                                                          additional
                                                          ways) to
                                                          identify/define
                                                          the Names
                                                          Community for
                                                          this purpose,
                                                          and with any
                                                          questions you
                                                          may have (and
                                                          any answers
                                                          you may have,
                                                          as well).<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;  <br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; Please
                                                          keep in mind
                                                          the relatively
                                                          limited
                                                          purposes for
                                                          which this
                                                          needs to be
                                                          answered (just
                                                          dealing with
                                                          the Community
                                                          Agreement) and
                                                          the very
                                                          limited
                                                          time-frame we
                                                          have to figure
                                                          this out (at
                                                          least,
                                                          initially).<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;  <br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; Thank you
                                                          for your
                                                          consideration
                                                          of these
                                                          issues.<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;  <br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; Best
                                                          regards,<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;  <br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; Greg<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;  <br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;
                                                          ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
                                                          &gt;
                                                          CWG-Stewardship
                                                          mailing list<br>
                                                          &gt; <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:CWG-Stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">CWG-Stewardship@icann.org</a><br>
                                                          &gt; <a
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                                                          target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/cwg-stewardship</a><br>
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Global Internet Policy and Human Rights
Center for Democracy &amp; Technology (CDT)
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