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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">That sounds reasonable to my non-legal mind Greg. I do have one concern though: It seems to me that this statement is a little weak: “</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">we
should be able to use the Empowered Community</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">”. If we cannot use the Empowered Community, what would we do if severe problems occurred, however unlikely?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Chuck<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Greg Shatan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 05, 2016 9:13 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kavouss Arasteh<br>
<b>Cc:</b> cwg-stewardship@icann.org; Jonathan Robinson<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Possible Definitions/Compositions of the "Names Community"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Based on my understanding of the advice received from Sidley, as CWG's counsel, I do not believe that any legal entity needs to be formed. The CWG can request that ICANN sign the Community
Agreement on behalf of the "Names" Operational Community and communicate the appointment of the initial CCG representatives by the CWG. We have been acting on behalf of the Names Operational Community for 2 years now in relation to ICANN; there is no reason
at this late date that we need a legal entity to take this particular action.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">After the initial appointment of representatives, the Names Operational Community can then act under the Community Agreement through the Names Co-Chair. If ICANN does anything that the Names
Operational Community objects to, and it can't be resolved through discussions, the Names Community can replace ICANN as the signatory. In the unlikely event that more severe problems arise, we should be able to use the Empowered Community to deal with ICANN.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">We should run this by Sidley to confirm that no legal entity needs to be created in the situation discussed above.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Greg<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 8:59 AM, Kavouss Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Mr. Robinson<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We can not established a legal entity through CWG .<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If the issue of chartering organisations was simplified some times ago as you have mentioned that was not aimed to establish " Names Community" through CWG which established by Chartering organizations<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That does not work<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We are facing a legal issue and must process it legally and not by CUT and Paste<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regards<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#888888">Arasteh <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2016-09-05 11:23 GMT+02:00 Jonathan Robinson <<a href="mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info" target="_blank">jrobinson@afilias.info</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-IE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Greg and others,</span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-IE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-IE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Apologies, for the slow response.</span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-IE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-IE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I recall it very slightly differently in that, we provisionally ended up with:</span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-IE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-IE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The Chartering Organisations (of the CWG) through:</span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-IE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">a)</span><span lang="EN-IE" style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D">
</span><span lang="EN-IE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The CWG, so long as it exists, and thereafter</span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-IE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">b)</span><span lang="EN-IE" style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D">
</span><span lang="EN-IE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Their Chairs</span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-IE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Jonathan</span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Greg Shatan [mailto:<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> 01 September 2016 22:55<br>
<b>To:</b> Seun Ojedeji <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>></span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Possible Definitions/Compositions of the "Names Community"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-IE"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-IE" style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Provisionally, we have ended up with:</span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-IE" style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">a) the CWG so long as it exists, followed by</span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-IE" style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">b) the Chartering Organizations, acting by their Chairs.</span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-IE" style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Greg</span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-IE"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-IE">On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 5:49 PM, Seun Ojedeji <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-IE">Lost audio[1] at the time Jonathan was making suggestions about the "names community". I think the phrase suggested; on behalf of "members of the CWG" may be somewhat personal. On behalf the "chartering organisations of CWG" may be more
ideal.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-IE">On another note, suggestion about exploring memberships drawn the CO to form a group smaller than current CWG for the task is worth exploring future.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-IE">Regards<br>
1. Looks like Brenda is not on her Skype either so I couldn't get a quick redial, if the meeting is still pretty much on I will appreciate a dialout.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-IE">Sent from my LG G4<br>
Kindly excuse brevity and typos<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-IE">On 1 Sep 2016 8:46 p.m., "Gomes, Chuck" <<a href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" target="_blank">cgomes@verisign.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">#3 might be worth exploring further.</span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Chuck</span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Greg Shatan [mailto:<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 01, 2016 2:34 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Gomes, Chuck<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Seun Ojedeji; <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">
cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a></span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Possible Definitions/Compositions of the "Names Community"<span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Thank you for these very helpful comments.</span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">We may be overthinking things a bit.</span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">The CWG has been acting in the interests of the "Names Community" and has done some very significant things acting in that capacity.
Our report and recommendations were considered to be and treated as the proposal of the "Names Community." This isn't much more than an implementation detail of that report. So thinking that we need to come up with a whole new understanding of the "Names
Community" and how to action on its behalf on this small aspect of our work seems out of scale and out of scope.</span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Much of the operational work will take place in the CSC, IFR and SCWG, with the CCG representatives and/or the signatory acting
primarily as a delivery mechanism or point of contact. Both the CCG and the actions taken by the signatory will be dependent on actions of these other groups.</span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Overall, I tend to agree with Seun, that the oversight should be handled by the Chartering Organizations and to the extent applicable,
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">ICANN as the signatory also makes sense, though its role should be that of a conduit. ICANN itself should not have an operational
role, since the oversight involved here is either (a) oversight of ICANN or (b) oversight of an entity contracting with ICANN (IETF Trust). As indicated above and in my earlier email, we already have operational solutions for most (if not all) of the tasks
of the CCG and signatory.</span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">At the next level the question is: how should the Chartering Organizations function in order to deal with the tasks at hand (choosing
the CCG members, etc., etc.). So we're back to using or creating a group that draws from the Chartering Organizations in some fashion. This is probably a subset of the groups listed in my prior email (but without they idea that any of them
<u>are</u> the Names Community). Leading candidates in my mind are:</span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">The CWG</span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">2.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">All of the Chartering Organizations of the CWG (GNSO, ccNSO, ALAC, GAC, SSAC) but not acting through the CWG</span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">An Implementation Oversight Team (IOT) (drawn in some fashion from the CWG and/or its Chartering Organizations)</span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">The CSC</span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Gomes, Chuck <<a href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" target="_blank">cgomes@verisign.com</a>> wrote:<span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I like breaking step 2 into the 2 steps Seun suggested.</span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Chuck</span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Seun Ojedeji [mailto:<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 01, 2016 12:53 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Gomes, Chuck<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>; Greg Shatan</span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Possible Definitions/Compositions of the "Names Community"<span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>Hello,<span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p>Sent from my LG G4<br>
Kindly excuse brevity and typos<span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p>On 1 Sep 2016 1:45 a.m., "Gomes, Chuck" <<a href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" target="_blank">cgomes@verisign.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Greg,<br>
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> I see it as two steps: 1) define the community; <span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p>SO: We can take this up from your proposed definition which I think it's a good start:<span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p>“All current and future stakeholders of Internet domain names including individuals and organizations.”<span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p>2) decide who can best represent that community. <span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p>SO: I see two aspects here:<span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p>1. Who to represent as signatory and perform operational tasks: I believe this should be ICANN<span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p>2. Who should have an oversight role: I believe this can be the chartering organisations that developed the names proposal which is the CWG.<span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Whoever that is, they need to understand who the community is to accurately do their job.<br>
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SO: Indeed and I believe though the CWG prepared the names proposal, it has ensured that it's operations covers the description of a global community in that anyone with a view is welcome to contribute, including those who are not members/participants of CWG.<span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p>Regards<br>
> <br>
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> Chuck<br>
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> <br>
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> From: Greg Shatan [mailto:<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>]
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> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 7:32 PM<br>
> To: Gomes, Chuck<br>
> Cc: <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Possible Definitions/Compositions of the "Names Community"<br>
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> <br>
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> Chuck,<br>
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> <br>
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> Thanks for getting the ball rolling.<br>
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> <br>
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> Philosophically you may well be right, but I don't think that is a practical answer under these circumstances. It does however help clarify and tighten the question, always a good thing in the search for an answer.<br>
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> <br>
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> The need for a definition or identification of the Names Community is driven by the need for some group (or group of groups) to take various actions on behalf of the Names Community (outlined in my email). The way the Agreement is structured it may appear
to ask for a definition of the Names Community. Thinking about this after your email, I think what we need to find (or create) instead is a valid representative group (or group of groups) that can act on behalf of the Names Community in the context of this
Agreement.<br>
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> <br>
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> Consider the following:<br>
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> <br>
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> How would the community you suggest (All current and future stakeholders of Internet domain names including individuals and organizations) take the actions needed underthe Community Agreement ?<br>
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> <br>
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> Approached another way, assuming for the moment that you have correctly defined the "Names Community," broadly speaking, what group (or group of groups) would (practically speaking) best represent this Community?<br>
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> <br>
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> As a corollary, consider that the IANA transition transfers oversight of certain critical Internet functions from the NTIA to the "Global Multistakeholder Community" -- a community even broader than the Names Community. Yet we have (imperfectly perhaps)
determined that various existing bodies (and some newly formed combinations of these bodies) will adequately represent the "global multistakeholder community" in exercising stewardship and accountability functions.<br>
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> <br>
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> As another corollary, consider how the Numbers Community and Protocol Parameters Community are defined in this Agreement -- as the Regional Internet Registries (and as the NRO) and the IETF respectively. Consider how the definition you propose compares to
these definitions. Alternatively consider how the NRO and the IETF compare with the following parallel definitions:<br>
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> <br>
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> Numbers Community: All current and future stakeholders of Internet IP address numbers including individuals and organizations<br>
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> RIRs: All current and future stakeholders of Internet protocol parameters including individuals and organizations<br>
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> <br>
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> While these definitions are not incorrect, and are certainly far broader than the NRO and the IETF, they are not being used in the Community Agreement, and could not practically be used in the Community Agreement. Instead we need to rely on groups that
are (hopefully) representative of those communities, while not being selected by those (much) larger communities. We need to do the same thing here for the Names Community.<br>
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> <br>
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> Greg<br>
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> <br>
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> <br>
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> On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 7:08 PM, Gomes, Chuck <<a href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" target="_blank">cgomes@verisign.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Thanks for getting this started Greg. Here are my first reactions.<br>
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> · I think everyone one of these leave some members of the name community out.<br>
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> · Most of them are what I think are legitimate subsets of the ‘Names Community’.<br>
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> · It doesn’t seem to me that the ‘Names Community’ has to be a structure; in fact I think it may be difficult to find or create a structure inside or outside ICANN that would include all members of the ‘Names Community’.<br>
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> · A general definition may be the best way to go, one that doesn’t try to list specific members because as soon as we do that we will likely leave some out.<br>
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> <br>
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> Here is my initial suggestion: “All current and future stakeholders of Internet domain names including individuals and organizations.” I welcome critique of my thoughts and my suggestion.<br>
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> <br>
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> Chuck<br>
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> <br>
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> From: <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of Greg Shatan<br>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 6:00 PM<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br>
> Subject: [CWG-Stewardship] Possible Definitions/Compositions of the "Names Community"<br>
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> <br>
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> On our last call, I volunteered to put together this email.<br>
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> <br>
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> We need to define or identify the composition of the "Names Community" for purposes of the IANA IPR Community Agreement. The role of the Names Community in this Agreement is outlined below.<br>
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> <br>
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> Here are some non-exhaustive possibilities for the "Names Community," which I am throwing out without any judgment as to their appropriateness and in no particular order: <br>
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> The CWG<br>
> All of the Chartering Organizations of the CWG (GNSO, ccNSO, ALAC, GAC, SSAC) but not acting through the CWG<br>
> An Implementation Oversight Team (IOT) (drawn in some fashion from the CWG and/or its Chartering Organizations)<br>
> GNSO and ccNSO<br>
> GNSO, ccNSO and ALAC <br>
> GNSO, ccNSO and GAC<br>
> GNSO, ccNSO, ALAC and GAC<br>
> Any other combination of some but not all Chartering Organizations<br>
> The CSC (representing those organizations and in the proportions represented on the CSC)<br>
> The organizations contributing members to the CSC (but not necessarily acting through the CSC or in the proportions represented in the CSC)<br>
> Any other combination of ICANN-created structures<br>
> An existing non-ICANN-created structure<br>
> A combination of ICANN-created and non-ICANN created structures<br>
> A completely new structure<br>
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> ICANN (the corporation) will be the signatory on behalf of the "Names Community." <br>
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> <br>
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> The "Names Community" (and not ICANN the corporation) will need to be responsible for the substance of all Names Community actions under the Community Agreement and instructing its CCG representatives where appropriate, including:<br>
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> <br>
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> Appointing, removing and replacing three members of the CCG (Community Coordinating Group) representing the Names Community<br>
> Appointing one of the three Names Community members as a Co-Chair and primary point of contact for the IETF Trust<br>
> Determining whether the IANA Services are consistent with the standards set forth by the Names Community (determined through a "specified process of community engagement, feedback, contract and dispute resolution," which is expected to be the CSC, and when
the time comes, the IFR process)<br>
> Instructing the CCG Representatives<br>
> Notifying the IETF Trust that the IANA Operator (initially, ICANN) is being replaced. (This would be the result of a SCWG decision.)<br>
> Requesting that the IETF Trust enter into an IANA IPR License Agreement with a new IANA Operator and participating in these interactions/negotiations (particularly if the Trust or the Operator wants to vary the terms of the License Agreement) including mediation
if the parties are unable to come to an agreement on terms of the new License Agreement<br>
> Monitoring the IANA Operator’s use of the IANA IPR with respect to its designated IANA Service for the purposes of quality control under the License Agreement and notifying the IETF Trust of any failures or deficiencies in the quality of service provided
by the IANA Operator that would violate such quality control provisions (again, this is likely to be CSC/IFR work in substance).<br>
> Being consulted (through the CCG Co-Chair) by the IETF Trust if the Trust believes the IANA Operator has materially breached the terms of its License Agreement.<br>
> Withdrawing from the Community Agreement<br>
> Selecting or creating a new entity to replace ICANN as the signatory to this Agreement on behalf of the Names Community (which could be a responsibility of the CWG or some successor to the CWG)<br>
> Determining a process for doing each of the above (to the extent it doesn't fall into an existing group with a process for doing things)<br>
><br>
> Please respond to this email with any thoughts you have on the possible ways (including additional ways) to identify/define the Names Community for this purpose, and with any questions you may have (and any answers you may have, as well).<br>
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> <br>
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> Please keep in mind the relatively limited purposes for which this needs to be answered (just dealing with the Community Agreement) and the very limited time-frame we have to figure this out (at least, initially).<br>
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> <br>
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> Thank you for your consideration of these issues.<br>
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> <br>
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> Best regards,<br>
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> <br>
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> Greg<br>
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> <br>
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