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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I agree Martin – it would be a serious sign of dysfunction.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Martin Boyle [mailto:Martin.Boyle@nominet.org.uk]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 2 June 2015 11:56 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Marika Konings; Donna Austin; Staffan Jonson; dt3@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [DTC CSC] Public Comments 354 & 355<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:#1F497D">So the PTI Board could use the IFR to apply pressure on ICANN – sound high risk and feels just a bit bizarre to me. Especially as the Board is an insider board. Sounds dysfunctional to me.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:#1F497D">Best<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:#1F497D">Martin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Marika Konings [<a href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org">mailto:marika.konings@icann.org</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> 02 June 2015 19:42<br>
<b>To:</b> Donna Austin; Staffan Jonson; Martin Boyle; <a href="mailto:dt3@icann.org">
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DTC CSC] Public Comments 354 & 355<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">It was my understanding that it could decide to do so if it would be of the view that the issue(s) that had been escalated to it would be of such a nature that it would warrant an
SIFR. Note, DT M discussed this as a response to a comment received by AFRALO which suggested that the CSC should also be able to escalate to the PTI Board and the PTI Board should be able to request an SIFR. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Marika<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">From: </span></b><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">Donna Austin <<a href="mailto:Donna.Austin@ariservices.com">Donna.Austin@ariservices.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday 2 June 2015 20:23<br>
<b>To: </b>Marika Konings <<a href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org">marika.konings@icann.org</a>>, Staffan Jonson <<a href="mailto:staffan.jonson@iis.se">staffan.jonson@iis.se</a>>, Martin Boyle <<a href="mailto:Martin.Boyle@nominet.org.uk">Martin.Boyle@nominet.org.uk</a>>,
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<b>Subject: </b>RE: [DTC CSC] Public Comments 354 & 355<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">But Marika under what circumstances?
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"> Marika Konings [<a href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org">mailto:marika.konings@icann.org</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 2 June 2015 11:02 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Donna Austin; Staffan Jonson; Martin Boyle; <a href="mailto:dt3@icann.org">
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DTC CSC] Public Comments 354 & 355</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">To provide some further context, the DT M proposal is for the PTI Board to be able to submit a request to initiate a SIFR to the ICANN Board who would consider taking into account the normal community
consultation mechanisms before deciding whether or not to go ahead with such a request.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Best regards,</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From: </span></b><span style="color:black">Donna Austin <<a href="mailto:Donna.Austin@ariservices.com">Donna.Austin@ariservices.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday 2 June 2015 19:56<br>
<b>To: </b>Staffan Jonson <<a href="mailto:staffan.jonson@iis.se">staffan.jonson@iis.se</a>>, Martin Boyle <<a href="mailto:Martin.Boyle@nominet.org.uk">Martin.Boyle@nominet.org.uk</a>>, "<a href="mailto:dt3@icann.org">dt3@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:dt3@icann.org">dt3@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [DTC CSC] Public Comments 354 & 355<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I’m not sure I understand why, and under what circumstances, the PTI Board would escalate to the IFRT.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"> Staffan Jonson [<a href="mailto:staffan.jonson@iis.se">mailto:staffan.jonson@iis.se</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 2 June 2015 10:53 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Donna Austin; Martin Boyle; <a href="mailto:dt3@icann.org">dt3@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Public Comments 354 & 355</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">At DTM some 40 minutes ago, it was argued that Both CSC and PTI board would be able to escalate a SIFR. To me that is a new. However, I couldn’t really find strong arguments against it, so it will
probably surface as two possible paths in DTM text. If you have strong concerns, please be advised that this is a rather late change, and would be needed to look further to. (Annex J page 74. Point 3 and 4).</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">It was also discussed if ccNSO and gNSO should be reduced to rather than 'ccNSO and RySG’ (Annex J same place). I noticed this lates was a bit controversial last week, so if you have strong issues
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">Från: </span></b><span style="color:black">Donna Austin <<a href="mailto:Donna.Austin@ariservices.com">Donna.Austin@ariservices.com</a>><br>
<b>Datum: </b>tisdag 2 juni 2015 18:04<br>
<b>Till: </b>Staffan Jonson <<a href="mailto:staffan.jonson@iis.se">staffan.jonson@iis.se</a>>, Martin Boyle <<a href="mailto:Martin.Boyle@nominet.org.uk">Martin.Boyle@nominet.org.uk</a>>, "<a href="mailto:dt3@icann.org">dt3@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:dt3@icann.org">dt3@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Ämne: </b>RE: Public Comments 354 & 355<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Thanks Steffan and Martin</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I’ll get to this later today – we will make the deadline.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"> Staffan Jonson [<a href="mailto:staffan.jonson@iis.se">mailto:staffan.jonson@iis.se</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 2 June 2015 6:25 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Donna Austin; Martin Boyle; <a href="mailto:dt3@icann.org">dt3@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> SV: Public Comments 354 & 355</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="SV" style="color:#1F497D">List</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Please find enclosed a draft for answer.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">I mostly (but not exactly and everywhere) pasted in Martins answer, since I agree with a lot of them.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Also enclosing the answers I sent to DT M 2 hours ago FYI (yellow in the table)</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">I haven’t had time to look at your paper yet Donna.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">I will have a DT M meeting in 1,5 hours (just before CWG)</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Hope this will suffice.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Not much left now, ey? Hang in there
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Staffan</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="SV" style="color:black">Från:</span></b><span lang="SV" style="color:black"><a href="mailto:dt3-bounces@icann.org">dt3-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:dt3-bounces@icann.org">mailto:dt3-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>För </b>Donna Austin<br>
<b>Skickat:</b> den 31 maj 2015 21:11<br>
<b>Till:</b> Martin Boyle; <a href="mailto:dt3@icann.org">dt3@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Ämne:</b> Re: [DTC CSC] Public Comments 354 & 355</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Martin</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Thanks for your comments. I have not had time to review but hope to do so tomorrow.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Donna</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><a href="mailto:dt3-bounces@icann.org">dt3-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:dt3-bounces@icann.org">mailto:dt3-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Martin Boyle<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 31 May 2015 10:34 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:dt3@icann.org">dt3@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DTC CSC] Public Comments 354 & 355</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">“… the concept of a unaffiliated registry being allowed to be a Liaison does make sense as Liaisons are from groups that are explicitly not registries.”</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">There is no reason why a brand registry also a member of the IPC could not be a liaison. Similarly, it is quite possible that a GAC representative might be from a government
operated ccTLD or even that an ALAC member might be a registry operator. Hence the wording: we do not think it appropriate to limit the selection of liaisons by their stakeholder group.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">“… members and liaisons “will be appointed by their respective communities in accordance with internal processes”, but also that “the full membership of the CSC must be approved by the ccNSO and the
GNSO”.”</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">I generally agree that it would not be appropriate for the ccNSO and GNSO RySG to veto proposed liaisons. But there is probably some need for final approval – it would not
be reasonable for there to be two people from the same country or even the same organisation (whether members or liaisons). But it is not expected that the ccNSO and GNSO RySG would make a unilateral decision, but could be expected to discuss liaisons with
the groups providing liaisons</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">Staggered appointments</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">I have some sympathy here, but there might be reasons why one would not want the same liaison to remain in place ad infinitum. Perhaps we could suggest that it would be
up to those proposing a liaison to set term rules as part of their nomination process, recognising that some rotation is normal good practice.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">Charter and review processes</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">I would have no problems widening to include ALAC and the GAC. (Actually I’d welcome this as the GNSO has too strong a say in the various mechanisms – it has the unfortunate
knack of looking at everything as though it were a gTLD issue.)</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">IPC concerns</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">These have already been discussed. Membership should be related to the role of the CSC and not simply be another forum for sounding out about problems not related to IANA
functions operator performance. I fail to understand any IPC representation need here and hardly see them as being marginalised. The point seems to be widening the role of the CSC – and I for one would be opposed to this. (And see above for my continued
concerns/irritation of the heavy GNSO engagement in all of these proposed structures!)</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">I leave it to someone more tactful and less irritable on this issue than I to word the response more diplomatically!</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">That’s the lot, folks!</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">Martin </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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