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    Thanks Guru<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/17/2015 10:39 AM, Guru Acharya
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      <div dir="ltr">Hi CW,
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        <div>Appreciate your comments. I tend to agree with most of what
          you have written.</div>
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        <div>However, I think we are approaching the problem
          differently. While you appear to be persuading us to make
          ICANN the permanent home of IANA, I feel that this decision is
          out of scope for the DT. What we can best do is figure out a
          succession plan that appropriately addresses all concerns that
          may arise if the CWG chooses to implement separability in its
          final proposal.</div>
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    Agree.<br>
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        <div>So, I suggest that all of us channel our pessimism of
          separability in a constructive manner by suggesting how the
          foreseeable problems in succession can be overcome. </div>
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    I really don't think that separability is an issue here as I have
    mentioned elsewhere.  (And we should not be evolving this work with
    a particular bias towards one model or another.)   This transition
    plan is needed no matter what one may think of the various models
    under consideration.<br>
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        <div>I have read your comments and replied to them in that
          context. Please correct me if I do so incorrectly.</div>
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        <div>1) The need for training should be minimised by devising a
          RFP process that selects the most qualified contractor.
          Accordingly, the succession plan that we suggest should also
          recommend the minimal technical qualifications for potential
          bidders that should be considered during the RFP process in
          order to ensure continued stability and security.</div>
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    We might want to raise this with the CWG and/or discuss further as
    not fully sure this is within our remit (then again I am not sure
    where those minimum criteria are being discussed).<br>
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        <div>2) There is a need to overcome the possibility that ICANN
          may frustrate the succession plan using transfer of IPR and
          website as leverage. I suggest that we look into the
          understanding reached by CRISP and IETF regarding IPR related
          issued in which they jointly agree that the IETF Trust may
          hold IANA related IPRs. The CWG could also jointly agree with
          this proposal. This would preclude the possibility of ICANN
          frustrating the transfer of IPR.</div>
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    We should discuss with DT on IPR.<br>
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        <div>3) I agree that ICANN may reject the DIDP request for the
          Root Zone Key succession plan citing various non-disclosure
          categories. To deal with this, we could request the chairs to
          send an email to IANA and the ICANN board highlighting the
          importance of the document for the CWG. At best, the DIDP
          response should only redact those portions of the document
          that are extremely confidential and not the entire document.
          If we fail to get hold of the document, we could best try to
          address the issues by involving someone with the required
          experience in the DT process.</div>
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        <div>4) I agree that there may be serious flaws in the existing
          software and machinery, which may be the very reason for
          ending the current contract and selecting a new IANA operator.
          To deal with this, I suggest that the old operator should also
          be required to transfer the source code of the software to the
          new operator - so that the software may be
          rectified/modified/improved by the new operator. We could also
          require the incumbent operator to place a copy of the source
          code with a escrow to preclude the possibility of the old
          operator frustrating the succession or holding the entire
          internet community to ransom.<br>
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    (Not sure what the flaws might be) but agree that it is key that the
    software can be fully ported to the successor.<br>
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        <div>5) While I personally agree that IANA should not be split,
          it would be shortsighted to not recognise that each of the
          three independent operational communities may develop
          divergent requirements over a substantial period of time given
          the pace at which technology and standards are evolving. It is
          important to note that the other proposals from CRISP and IETF
          also recognise the possibility of IANA splitting. I suggest we
          look into the implications of the possibility of IANA breaking
          up into two or three parts and then at the minimum mention the
          issues that may arise and that may need to be considered.</div>
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        <div>6) I agree that deleting data by the old operator may have
          implications. While I am not able to contemplate these
          implications right now, we should definitely explore these
          issues. In that case, the IANA Functions Contract needs to
          have a clause that requires the old operator to provide
          security for retention of that data.</div>
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    Agree.<br>
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    Thanks!<br>
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        <div>7) ...</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 1:00 AM, CW
          Lists <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu"
              target="_blank">lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</a>&gt;</span>
          wrote:<br>
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            <div style="word-wrap:break-word">Dear Guru:
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              <div>I have a few comments on the points that you have
                mentioned, below.</div>
              <div>Please see attached .pdf</div>
              <div><br>
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              <div>Regards</div>
              <div><br>
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              <div>Christopher</div>
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                  <div>On 15 Mar 2015, at 09:48, Guru Acharya &lt;<a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:gurcharya@gmail.com" target="_blank">gurcharya@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                    wrote:</div>
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                          <div>Hi CW, JG, MS and JA,</div>
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                          <div>This is with reference to the attached
                            document prepared by ICANN under C.7.3 for
                            transition of IANA to a successor
                            contractor.<br>
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                          <div>I wanted to quickly remark that there are
                            serious deficiencies in the document. At the
                            face of it, the following issues come to my
                            mind:</div>
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                              <li><b>Training &amp; Overlapping Time
                                  Period: </b>The transition document
                                does not mandate an overlapping time
                                period wherein the old operator would be
                                required to assist and train the
                                employees of the new operator in taking
                                over the IANA functions. The overlapping
                                time period should only end once the
                                requisite security and stability has
                                been reached by the new operator. Such a
                                process may also require the old
                                operator to develop training material.</li>
                              <li><b>Website &amp; IPR</b>: The
                                transition plan only requires the old
                                operator to share the data that is
                                publicly available on the website. It
                                does not require the operator to
                                transfer the website itself (<a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="http://iana.org/"
                                  target="_blank">iana.org</a>). It is
                                also silent about the assignment of
                                associated IPR. For example, IANA is a
                                registered trademark of ICANN.
                                Similarly, ICANN has a copyright on all
                                documents produced by the IANA staff.<br>
                              </li>
                              <li><b>Root Zone Key</b>: The transition
                                of responsibilities for root zone key is
                                in a separate document that is currently
                                not available with us. As an action
                                item, we should request the IANA staff
                                for this document or file a DIDP request
                                for it.</li>
                              <li><b>Software and Machinery</b>: The
                                transition document only requires the
                                old operator to provide a description of
                                the functional requirements of the
                                software and APIs. It excludes transfer
                                of the existing software and the
                                existing essential machinery that is
                                used by the old operator. This may have
                                serious stability and
                                security implications. The transition
                                plan should require the transfer of all
                                essential softwares and machinery from
                                the old operator to the new operator,
                                especially for the overlapping time
                                period.</li>
                              <li><b>Specific Exclusion</b>: It is not
                                clear why certain types of documents
                                have been excluded from transition and
                                marked as "deliverables not requiring
                                transition". The rationale for this
                                exclusion needs to be tested against the
                                stress scenarios.</li>
                              <li><b>Breakup of IANA</b>: The transition
                                plan does not address the possibility
                                that IANA may be broken into three
                                smaller IANAs in the future. The
                                associated issues need to be addressed.</li>
                              <li><b>Old data</b>: The transition plan
                                should require the old operator to
                                permanently delete all data. If the old
                                operator retains any data that it no
                                longer requires, then it should continue
                                to provide the requisite security for
                                maintaining the data.</li>
                              <li><b>Holistic View</b>: A systematic
                                transition plan will typically address
                                associated HR issues, legal issues,
                                procurement issues, IT issues, cultural
                                issues, finance issues and finally also
                                develop a proper Gantt chart with
                                estimated timelines.</li>
                            </ol>
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